Controversial opinion on music?
 

Basically my opinion on music is this: adult music if accompanied by dancing especially, is lame, embarrassing, cringe-worthy and simply not cool, I mean they're adults. It doesn't look right or cool in any way acting like a kid onstage when you're not a kid, it's pretty much what immaturity is. Imagine being a father or mother on top of being a singer/dancer?

"Hey kid, where's your dad/mom?"
"Skipping around the stage half-dressed and waving their booty".

It clearly isn't right, I have never taken to older artists and never will. Young cute singers/dancers, sure. If they're below 18 they can be like that but not a responsible adult. It's not exciting, just embarrassing.

Discuss :D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this is an opinion on dancing, not music.

Also, I find it a little bizarre that you apparently think it's more acceptable for minors (by American legal standards at least) to sexualize themselves on stage than adults.

Good lord.

Aren't you a bit too young to be yelling at clouds?

Adults make the best music though

Well, there's your problem.

I don't see the problem with an adult dancing or expressing themselves in a sexual nature to music or in any appropriate context. Do you hate fun or something?

No, stop dancing! Bad adult, bad! Stop doing natural things in your natural habitat like some kind of disgusting human being.

I feel like the only ingredients missing from these posts are "that rap music" and "the youths." Then we'd have the complete portrait of Turn of the Millennium moral panic.

Yeah, this is a new opinion.

I don't even have words for that opinion.

My controversial opinion... I believe that music and art in general should always always always be innovative and progressive. If you aren't innovative, in my opinion... I wouldn't say that you SHOULDN'T be making music, but I do see it as completely pointless and less valuable as music as opposed to something that is innovative. I feel like if an artist isn't constantly striving to push the boundaries, they have failed as an artist.

Anything that is derivative is a waste of time to me. Mainstream pop is a waste of time. Bands like Artic Monkeys -- waste of time. iamamiwhoami's new album was a complete waste of time to me, like a complete and utter disappointment that had absolutely no reason to even be made.

I also deem derivative music like Lady Gaga or Katy Perry to generally (not all the time) be listened to people who are less intelligent than me, at least on an artistic standpoint. I know someone who straight up cried to Donatella by Lady Gaga. The only way that I have been able to justify people being engaged by mainstream pop and other hyper derivative genres of music is that they aren't artistically intelligent.

There are a couple of Madonna songs that I can enjoy and I can enjoy dance music but when someone's entire musical spectrum revolves around that type of music I sort of have a tendency to instinctively deem them as lesser in that regard.

Also -- anyone who walks around wearing only one earbud is an ******* who is missing half the song and obviously doesn't care about the quality of the music they are listening to.

All music is just ripping off other music, why don't we stop making music ever

That's not true though.

Everyone making music is just ripping off the first person to make music and Paul McCartney is ripping off Nickelback

Is Paul McCartney actually ripping off Nickelback cause I haven't listened to anything he's made recently

Can you imagine

That would be just ripping off 4'33''.

I actually think 4'33 is a really cool commentary on music. Idk if that's controversial around here.

In this life, you can't win, sure you can try, but you're just gonna lose, BIG TIME.

- School of Rock

... but it absolutely is true. To say something is derivative is a totally meaningless criticism in and of itself because all music/art comes from something else in some form. Jazz musicians even unabashedly steal from other jazz musicians as a core part of the culture.

I like how the thread shifted completely in only a few posts.

There was a huge debate about it here:

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...-what-not.html

This is turning into a vocabulary lesson real quick. Obviously everything is inspired by something and nothing is completely and utterly 110% unique but the term 'derivative' doesn't mean "inspired by", it means 'imitative of".

Like Bjork's 'Debut' was really the birth of dance-pop but Bjork's 'Debut' isn't derivative of dance music.

Death Grips incorporates industrial sounds into their music but Death Grips isn't derivative of industrial music.

I think it made a lot of people realize how powerful silence can be in music, and how the absence of sound can, in of itself, be an element in the music.

Death Grips is pretty derivative of this though



This too

I don't think that even remotely resembles Death Grips.

Honestly when I listen to that I'm not really reminded of Death Grips - I'm reminded of Limp Bizkit lol.

@ The first one

I always sort of saw Blackie more along the lines of Hardcore Punk disguised as hip hop.

You mean it's derivative of something without sounding exactly like it?

Well how about that.

But the TERM derivative, in the art world, based on the dictionary, means "imitative of something", not "Inspired by".

Or derived from it, which can be written down to influences. That's not to say that things that are similar to another artist are inherently bad. Would you rather live in the first mansion ever built or the best mansion ever built years later?

Here's the dictionary definition of derive, the word that derivative is derived from: base a concept on a logical extension or modification of (another concept).

I'd rather live in the best mansion because I don't give a **** if a mansion is derivative. I don't think analogy really follows through.

So to bring it back to music, if an artist makes the first album with one idea, and another one perfects it and makes the greatest example of that idea, have they "failed as an artist"?

Well I can't really answer that because "the greatest example" is highly subjective. To me, the greatest example of good music is something that is innovative and unique. I mean, I've never met a single artist that enjoys being compared to other artists personally.

If someone compared mt music to Whitehouse I'd be like "Damn man, really? Hell yeah, just made my day, Whitehouse rules".

And someone has.

Thanks, Machine.

Wouldn't you rather hear "Damn I've never heard anything like this. This is so original."

Obviously it would be in your opinion, please don't sidestep the question. Say that the introduction of the idea is poorly done and doesn't seem thought out whathaveyou and then a second artist comes along, takes that idea, and makes an album that really speaks to you, what would you make of the situation then?

And what about albums that you think are incredibly innovative but are actually imitations of works that you hadn't heard before? Would you stop listening to what you once enjoyed and considered innovative because it no longer meets your standard?

I listen to TOBC - Heart of Darkness pretty much for the sole purpose that it sounds exactly like Burzum's Hvis Lyset tar oss and Filosofem put together.

Derivative music is great. If it's derivative of music that I love, then it's just more music that I love. At least they're writing different songs amirite

And I already made the harshest noise song ever, anyone else who tries to make harsh noise anymore will just be ripping me off. Posers.

It's totally original

Bruh, if you're trying to make harsh noise you're ripping ME off. We both know that this is harsher than anything you've done.

They don't call it MAXIMUMANNIHILATION for nothing.

On a side not I love that song of yours, one of my favorites

Pfff. Amateurs.
I've played harsher music fingerpicking an acoustic guitar.

I bet you've never played harsh noise on three guitars at once with a broomstick.

I win.

All I need is a bag of pinto beans

I played two basses with a porcupine though.

Kinda not kidding about the broom handles though.

Cuz your music so shitty?

Ooooooooohhhhhhhh

Nah my pinto bean song rocks.

And the original Trouble Salad tape has me playing drums with a bicycle... my friend didn't like me ruining his drums though.

I didn't think for a minute that you were.