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( general "let's see you do it" statement)

...directed at electronics talk

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1579040)

Yes is true.

Which DAW do you use?

If it were really all that easy, anyone with $100 could be a millionaire.

Isn't that exciting.

I feel like breakcore is one of the hardest kinds of music to make

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1579077)

If it were really all that easy, anyone with $100 could be a millionaire.

Isn't that exciting.

I torrented ableton and now I'm a millionaire.

What about something that's really dense and detailed like the last Autechre album? I mean, Chula is guaranteed to hate it, but he won't be able to say that there's no talent/work/blood sweat and tears behind it...

My DAW doesn't have the "Create catchy song" button

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Originally Posted by Mondo Bungle (Post 1579124)

My DAW doesn't have the "Create catchy song" button

Really? I mean, Fuzz was pretty ****ing catchy.

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1579122)

Nah just hit a couple of buttons and boom. Song. Just like a piano.

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Originally Posted by DeadChannel (Post 1579133)

Really? I mean, Fuzz was pretty ****ing catchy.

That was definitely the easiest album I've made

It amazes me how many shapes this same old thread comes in.

Honestly, the best attitude you can have towards music is an optimistic and open minded one cause as soon as you start looking down on other artist or other genres you'll start looking like an *******.

it's not that you have reserve to your opinion and be dishonest, it's more about getting over your ego, example, i think Maroon 5 is sh*t but you don't see me all melodramatic and making a f*ckin thread about it.

I can find a thousand ways to justify how maroon 5 sucks and how modern music sucks too but at the end i would gain nothing from making a thread about that.

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1578902)

Yes indeed, Filter does have electronic elements to their sound, Richard likes that type of thing. But it's not straight up electronic music, it's got the live instruments with it so it doesn't sound so plain to me. And I'll be frank with you Jansz. I haven't really listened to a whole lot of electronic music my entire life. I've heard songs here and there, but it probably wasn't the 'good' stuff. I told whats his name that probably six times. If you want to point me in the right direction to something electronic that you think will appeal to me, I'll give it an honest listen.

Well, looking at your last.fm I see there are a couple Nine Inch Nails songs that are among your most played so there's at least some electronic music you like it seems. I'm not sure what direction to point you in since electronic music is such a broad category that encompasses so many things. Since it seems like you dig a lot of harder rocking stuff, maybe some of this electronic music is stuff you'd like:

honestly I don't even understand how people can say that simple, catchy songs are super easy to make. itd be hard as hell to make a chart topper stop kidding around

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Originally Posted by Ninetales (Post 1579179)

honestly I don't even understand how people can say that simple, catchy songs are super easy to make. itd be hard as hell to make a chart topper stop kidding around

hard to MAKE, but not hard to write

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1579188)

hard to MAKE, but not hard to write

I think it's the other way around honestly. Playing (I assume this is what you meant by making) a simple melody is, well, simple, while writing it so that it's catchy can be very challenging.

Yeah pop music is easy as **** to make in the grand scheme of things. Way more difficult to write, but I'd still say it's pretty easy to write in the grand scheme of music. Pop music is very formulaic and most mainstream pop music regurgitates the same melodies, the same transitions, etc. It's just different coats of paint but it's the a lot of the same. A lot of the time it's not even different coats of paint.

someone quick write me an awesome catchy pop song

I'm not saying making pop music is easy in of itself. I'm saying in the grand scheme of things, pop music is easier, by a longshot.

easier than what

how about this: ambient and drone are easy to make

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Originally Posted by Ninetales (Post 1579208)

easier than what

how about this: ambient and drone are easy to make

Easier than experimental music.

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Originally Posted by Ninetales (Post 1579205)

someone quick write me an awesome catchy pop song

I V VI IV chord progression with a stomp-clap dance beat

silly lyrics about how a male and female are in love and dancing together or something

throw in a bass drop

done top 40 hit

it really is that easy

I don't read music I listen to it pal

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Originally Posted by grtwhtgrvty (Post 1579209)

Easier than experimental music.

This is true because experimental music is a singular and uniform thing across groups.

textbook example of I V VI IV chord progression, just listen to the bass that comes in at like 9 seconds

something disgusting like 60% of popular music probably uses these chords in this order or with very slight variation

holy hell yorkedaddy is bono it all makes sense now

but what if I just put a bunch of random sounds together and call it experimental? that would surely be pretty easy

my net worth is something like .00000000000000000000000000000001% of his

Nah because it's experimental music that makes it hard. Everything under a genre umbrella is made identically and sounds the same.

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1579215)

my net worth is something like .00000000000000000000000000000001% of his

maybe if you could make pop tunes..

maybe if i could get noticed among the billion aspiring musicians in the world

it's basically like going to vegas, occasionally someone there will win a ton of money but the vast majority will come out negative even though just about all of them are equally qualified

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1579217)

Nah because it's experimental music that makes it hard. Everything under a genre umbrella is made identically and sounds the same.

Well if you want to autistically nitpick at what I'm saying and not give me the benefit of anti-generalization that's your prerogative hunty.

Pop music, like i said, is very formulaic. When you are making experimental music, you forego that formula. That's why it is inherently more difficult. Obviously I can make random sounds and be like "hurp it's experimental" but obviously I'm not talking about making random sounds and saying "hurp it's experimental". Kind of baffled I had to spell that out for you people if we're being perfectly honest.

lol you must be a blast at parties

how do you know all your favorite experimental music wasn't created by just putting stuff together?

Pop music has quite a bit of diversity as well, and an experimental song can be easy to make as well. I don't find it difficult at this point because I've been doing it for so long and have acclimated to it. A pop song would probably be harder for me (especially since I strive to make music I like as well). You're painting pop music with the same broad brush you're avoiding painting experimental music with.

But all in all does it matter how much someone sweated while writing and playing a piece if you enjoy it nonetheless?

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Originally Posted by Ninetales (Post 1579223)

lol you must be a blast at parties

how do you know all your favorite experimental music wasn't created by just putting stuff together?

Well all music is just putting stuff together.

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Mainstream pop has very little diversity, from a theory standpoint.

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But all in all does it matter how much someone sweated while writing and playing a piece if you enjoy it nonetheless?

Not at all. My favorite track I've ever made was made in the least amount of time with the least amount of effort.

Sure there are similar key changes and such, but there can still be a world of differences between how two artists utilize those changes and vaguely similar melodies.

why don't we just go back to talking about how great pop is

It's all about Dr. Pepper.

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Originally Posted by Jade_City (Post 1578958)

Again people just talking **** because they're too ignorantly stuck in the past, and just essentially having a temper tantrum. Lmao and hold up, how can anyone say that musicians flaunt their wealth and dont care. Kendricks new album is so engrossed in it's political message there's hardly any braggadocio in there about wealth etc. What are you talking abouuuut

lol, chill out home slice.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1578964)

A question about electronic music. I've seen a lot of people complain that electronics used in music make it too easy for anyone to be a musician or something along those lines, because there isn't necessarily any talent behind it. Aside from not agreeing on the talent factor, wouldn't you say that making it easier to make good music is a bad thing? Sure there's a lot of **** out there but that's true for acoustic instruments playing those cheesy love songs you fawn over as well. That's not to mention that electronic music doesn't entirely rule out acoustic instruments, since electronics don't always start off with a synthetic sound but sometimes use recordings of regular instruments and likewise. With electronics, you could easily produce either a Skrillex song or recreate "Within You Without You" to a tee since there is so much that you can do with the technology these days.

This tired argument that the OP puts forward was seen in the rise of rock 'n' roll and the guitar amp gaining popularity. The electric element was seen as synthetic and lacking in the organic sound that you would get from a nice piece of wood. Also with electric guitar strings not having to be so heavy of a gauge do to their amplification, this made it a lot easier for people to play faster on guitar and largely made the instrument easier to play if you were going to choose an electric instrument.

The way I see it, the rise in electronics (which is by no means a new thing, it goes all the way back to the early 1900s ffs) is sort of like the electric guitar. It's revamping an old idea using more modern technology while having the potential to contribute to the evolution of music. However, people have only seen this be used for "evil" ie pop music, which a lot of anti-electronics people seem to hate (except for the music of the glory days before they grew up and matured into a sense of cynicism. Now that was REAL music man). Electronics have been around for a long time, longer than rock music even, and the diversity within the field is immense. You've probably listened to quite a bit of electronic music without even realizing it since the technology has evolved so much.

CN if you're interested in some recs, hit me with a PM.

I don't know. I can't really speak against what you say there, other than maybe you're right. I'm the kind of person that if the individual making a song, is not even using any live instruments at all, and they're just in front of some computers with all of these other electronic items ready to be abused and shaped in to an electronic party anthem...I go straight to thinking they're lazy. Wrong way to think I know, but stuck in my ways, I am.

And yeah. Throw recs my way. I was actually going through my iTunes and found some Pendulum albums (I love Pendulum!), some Innerpartysystem, M83, Daft Punk. So it isn't like I haven't listened to some form of electronic music. I like those four I just mentioned, oh and like Jansz pointed out, Nine Inch Nails. Largely a lot of electronics going on, but a tone of live instruments too. So I really dig it.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1579175)

Every single one of those were weird as hell to listen to, but oddly fun and enjoyable. That third one though had me a little worried, like wtf?

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1579224)

Pop music has quite a bit of diversity as well, and an experimental song can be easy to make as well. I don't find it difficult at this point because I've been doing it for so long and have acclimated to it. A pop song would probably be harder for me (especially since I strive to make music I like as well).

But all in all does it matter how much someone sweated while writing and playing a piece if you enjoy it nonetheless?

To me it matters how much effort someone puts in to making their music. I think I'm being a bit tough on electronic 'musicians' by claiming it's lazy. But I'll take everyone's word that it's a lot better than I think and there's more to it, so send those recs and I'll pick through them.

Wait you like it when an artist puts a lot of work into their music and displays their talent thusly

...but you're a fan of Filter.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1579231)

Wait you like it when an artist puts a lot of work into their music and displays their talent thusly

...but you're a fan of Filter.

HahahahahahHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

****kkk man

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1579231)

Wait you like it when an artist puts a lot of work into their music and displays their talent thusly

...but you're a fan of Filter.

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