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And can we sort of move away from comments like this Frown? I'm so burnt out on reading them, and I think I'm getting a headache from reading over and over who doesn't like Filter. This guy gets it. We can move on lol. |
I think Frownland makes a good point, though. There's nothing wrong with the fact that bands like Filter make music that is fundamentally uncomplex as long as you enjoy it. However, when you're using simplicity w/r/t the amount of work that goes into creation as a criticism against electronic music, there's a bit of a double standard.
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Ja, DaedChannel's got it right. I wasn't even saying my opinion on Filter tbh, their music just doesn't sound like they worked all that hard on it to me. Nirvana's in the same boat (even though I do dig them, as opposed to Filter). I think that the outcome of the music is more important than the process it was created in. The creation process can be interesting if the artist takes a different approach (modern classical really comes to mind here), but all in all its the end result that counts.
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I don't even know how you'd go about making a track like this
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Basic music theory and a soundboard with 100s of electronic sounds? Is there something more going on that maybe I just don't understand?
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Why would you need music theory for that? I don't think they're popping in sounds and going "ja that's cool," it's probably more along the lines of manipulating certain samples and arranging them. Maybe if I had the technology to do it I could, but I'm of the same opinion as Mondo on this one.
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I feel I must throw this in, not as an example of electronic music because it's not, but as an idea of what you can do with very little real technology but a whole shedload of talent and inspiration, and allowing the listener to almost fill in the gaps...
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What does this have to do with what we are discussing? |
Uh oh...he's barking up Trollhearts tree. But I believe Trollheart is just making a point about how sometimes less is so much more, especially when who makes the music is brilliant, or talented.
Awesome track by the way, Trollheart. Really see what you mean. And your track was interesting Mondo. I was scratching my head wondering what the dude (or dudes) were on when they did that. |
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Anyway, don't get all snippy on me. Seems like you're not so much interested in discussing as arguing. I'm not getting drawn into that, just responding to the main point, the OP in which the question is posed as to whether there are any new innovations being made in music these days. I think there are, and while Waits would not be one who would naturally be at the top of everyone's to-listen list, his music illustrates the point quite well I feel. Course if all you want to do is fight, I'll send Batty your way. :shycouch: |
I swear you started a thread quite similar to this a while ago, and we actually found some common ground in the discussion, but it seems like in the meantime you've reverted back.
http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...g-music-2.html |
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No, you're right. This was more just seeing what people would say to what Richard spoke of in the video, but it just so happened to take that turn to what the thread you linked to of mine, was speaking about. Still. I think the two threads are similar enough to see why you linked the other one. @ Trollheart I haven't found a way to talk to the guy and not find myself getting irritated. Seems to be the type that likes confrontation. |
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So you're right. Sometimes less is more. Sometimes more and more. It has nothing to do with technology. Less or more is a matter of aesthetic. Quote:
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Damn dude calm down.
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Ah. Just being a dick again for no good reason. Right on.
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Anyway you can make your points and not insult people is all I'm saying. Hell people might actually like your posts more. |
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I've read it all already and am also disagreeing with people without having to be a dick.
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I tried that. It didn't work. So now I'm trying this. This is way more amusing for me, personally.
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~~~eDgY internet teens unite~~~
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If anything contrived nihilism is fulfilling that role. His name is literally ContrivedNihlism
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You guys should make a club then. What part of unite don't you understand?
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If I make a club with him there's an off chance he'll make me listen to Filter and 30 seconds to mars and limp bizkit and I wouldn't be surprised if there was some Creed thrown in there, and honest to God, that's not a risk I'm willing to take.
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You're a dime a dozen. But I'll be over -----------> here, while I watch you dig that hole of yours deeper, trying to convince people that I'm an idiot that just aren't buying what you're selling. lols. |
I thought you were ignoring me.
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Your very first response was bull**** and then a tirade at CN telling him why he was wrong. The whole tone of your replies has been "You guys are so stupid and ignorant; you don't get it. Only I can see how great electronic music is" which is certainly combative. Why you assumed my Waits track was a dig at electronic music is beyond me; if you had bothered to read the text before going off on one you would have seen I was not putting electronic music down. I've tried to explore it a little. It's not my favourite genre but I would never put ANY genre down. I don't like jazz or punk or hip-hop but I realise they're very popular and have relevance within music. Nobody should be that close-minded. Just because I don't like something does not make it automatically crap. But one thing to bear in mind here: your opinion is not the only one that counts, and you seem to think it is. Like Frown said, calm down, take a breath and try to approach this with a degree of maturity instead of firing off on all sides against anyone who even approaches disagreeing with you. Otherwise nobody will want to talk to you and you'll end up in an empty room talking to yourself. |
Spank me daddy. I've been bad.
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What actually happened is that I made a deliberate attempt at being nice, despite disagreeing with him. I didn't insult CN right off the bat. I just kept insulting the guy in the video, and those insults seemed to be area of effect in nature, thus offending CN. He got offended before I was offensive, and then at that point, I viewed him as an easy target, and decided to (successfully) attempt at trolling him further. I did that. I was rude. I was an *******, eventually, yes, you are right, and that may or may not have been wrong, but it's not like I came in guns blazing. I was nice at first. Now -- that being said, it is definitely possible that it came off as me thinking he's an idiot, because I do think that. I do consider him to be an idiot, and I can't control my innate considerations. My instinctive, knee jerk reaction was that he is a moron, a reaction I hold to this very moment. Because of this, it is possible that there may have been some subconscious implications. I'll give you that. That being said, multiple people, him included, said I was good at first, and I didn't throw the first punch. I didn't get offended. I didn't flip out. I debated with someone, they got pissed off, and I trolled them. But I was good at first and I want that to be recognized. I'll take my side of the blame. That being said, I wasn't the one who started it. I understand why you're talking to me, because yes, I was being an ******* in my last chunk of posts. I don't know why noone is telling him to stop freaking out and acting a fool. This is the internet and he's like 8 years older than me. I don't think i'm the one who needs to calm down. Maybe I need to stop amusing myself at the expense of others, but I definitely don't need to calm down. Quote:
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You used the words "your dude rock scene" or somesuch, implying CN listened to all that sort of stuff and shouldn't. Now that may have been a generic "your", as in, "your basic person does this" or whatever, but it did not come across like that. You then jumped on him for mentioning Katy Perry, which he did once, and implying he was a fan (not that there's anything wrong with that) which I don't think he is. However, the fact that you now admit you don't like the guy and are/were trolling him makes much of the rest of the discussion I was going to have with you totally irrelevant, so let's skip to me. Quote:
This I don't understand. Electronic or not, there had been a thread going through the conversation that in order to make music you did not necessarily need computers, software and doodads, just talent, and I proposed Waits's song as an example of that. Of course there's tech there, but not much that I can see: the song survives on its atmosphere and the paranoia the lyric describes. Similarly, I could have posted "Pasties and a g-string" which has only percussion, or "Step right up" which is all bass. The point remains: while some people are undoubtedly talented in creating electronic music (as demonstrated with the JMJ clip, which I notice you ignored) others can create it with very little in the way of tech. Now you're talking about noise rock. Odd. I believe I said experimental, avant-garde music like Frownland does is not something I understand, and I certainly said I don't regard grindcore as music. But I'm not sure why that is relevant really? Is it because I said I would not put down any genre and this seems to contradict that? Well it doesn't: I, personally, don't view it as music but understand others do, the same way as some electronic music leaves me cold, but I know it's popular. Not entirely sure what orchestral classical music has to do with it either. Anyhoo, the whole point is that your reaction from the start has been sharp, dismissive and argumentative, even if you don't see it that way. I'm not really interested; I think I complimented your music so I'm not sure why you think I have a problem with you, but your attitude certainly from this thread needs to improve and cool down or people are going to start responding in kind. To say you feel someone is an ******* and will start trolling him without real reason is to me a waste of your time, his and that of anyone else reading or participating in the thread. Surely you have better things to do? I certainly know I have. |
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What exactly dose he hope to say at this point to justify his actions? Absolutely nothing. It's abundantly clear that his intentions were never to find common ground with me, which would be what any person with maturity would do. I genuinely wanted to get along with him, have tried several times. But it is not a possibility, especially now. Who, aside from him, enjoys taking on the antics of a troll these days anyway? It is such an old, distasteful, stupid thing to pull anymore. He says I'm eight years older than him, so must mean he's at least twenty years of age. People that age, younger, can sometimes be really mature for their age. But for him, it appears that the antics of a juvenile are much to appealing to move on from. I'm not impressed by it, you're not impressed by it, nobody has been impressed by it. And he's going on in his post to you about how proud he is of what he pulled with me, like some juvenile. I mean, really? Who gloats about things like that? A kid, that's who. Someone lacking of any sort of maturity or self respect. He can say whatever more of me he wants after this. But please Trollheart. Don't reply to him beyond what you have. In fact, nobody should. It serves no purpose to encourage him on by replying to him continuously. I'm over it. In fact. Why not just close this thread? I'm tired of this little game, it took any sort of fun out of it, or desire to have a good conversation about it with the people I intended it for. But for the record Trollheart. I do appreciate you defending me, though it wasn't needed. I still appreciate it. Close the thread. I'm done. |
No, let's keep talking. I'm busy right this second but I'll reply in a few. You're free to go away but I want to keep talking to Troll.
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How about we keep the thread open and get back on topic.
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Don't close the thread.
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grtwhtgrvty. Let's try to see if we can find common ground anyway. If you're willing, so am I, but it has to be an honest attempt and you need to make an honest effort to back your compliance with seeing if we can work this out, but showing you are serious about it with your actions after this post. You want to give it another try at getting along? I can have this all be water under the bridge. All it will take is effort from both of us. |
Uh just don't respond to him and he won't perpetuate the discussion with you. Pretty simple.
Anyway, here's some electronic business that I think takes way more skill than any Filter song. |
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