Deconstruct the Classics!

**Frownland** · 07-01-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

OK let's call it for Citizen Zombie.
YorkeDaddy, you're up.

Also, anyone else want to sign up?

¿Qué?

Trollheart · 07-01-2015, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

¿Qué?

Sorry, The Pop Group. Got a bit mixed up here.

Moss · 07-01-2015, 08:26 PM

I say no on Cat

Yes 0
No 1

Pet_Sounds · 07-01-2015, 08:36 PM

Yes 0
No 2

I like Cat Stevens, but I'm not sure why that album would be considered a classic.

Josef K · 07-01-2015, 08:41 PM

I'm still struggling here. I like Cat Stevens a lot, but I really don't like misogyny - seriously, "Wild World" is gross. At the same time, I think it is a pretty influential album. I'm leaning towards yes but I'm not going to vote either way yet.

Pet_Sounds · 07-01-2015, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Josef K

I'm still struggling here. I like Cat Stevens a lot, but I really don't like misogyny - seriously, "Wild World" is gross. At the same time, I think it is a pretty influential album. I'm leaning towards yes but I'm not going to vote either way yet.

I've always interpreted that song as being father to daughter, which makes it less gross. I have no idea if that's how Stevens meant it, though.

YorkeDaddy · 07-01-2015, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pet_Sounds

Yes 0
No 2

I like Cat Stevens, but I'm not sure why that album would be considered a classic.

I was wondering the exact same thing when MMM somehow got a 5-1 vote for "yes"

And I have NO idea how someone sees "Wild World" as misogynistic...

Moss · 07-01-2015, 09:40 PM

I never considered that song misogynistic, just read the lyrics, still don't. Splain?

Josef K · 07-01-2015, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

I was wondering the exact same thing when MMM someone got a 5-1 vote for "yes"

And I have NO idea how someone sees "Wild World" as misogynistic...

It's so condescending, so patronizing. The first couple lines establish pretty clearly that it's about a romantic partner who's breaking up with him - would you really tell your daughter whom you love that "I've lost everything to you" and say she's broken your heart? - and then the rest of the song treats her, yeah, basically like a child. I mean, please. It's about how people are really mean and this poor, pure, innocent woman just doesn't get it, and Cat Stevens is just trying to protect her from the nasty old world. Like, "Hope you make a lot of nice friends out there / Just remember there's a lot, I'd beware," is such an asinine thing to say - she's an adult and can use her own judgment. Clearly she doesn't want to do whatever you say, because she's breaking up with you.

Pet_Sounds's reading of the song - it being targeted at his daughter - is wrong IMO, but in a way it's spot-on because it completely shows what's wrong with it. Like I said, he has this image of her as a child who's unable to take care of herself. That's kind of awful.

Still a really good album though.

YorkeDaddy · 07-01-2015, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Josef K

It's so condescending, so patronizing. The first couple lines establish pretty clearly that it's about a romantic partner who's breaking up with him - would you really tell your daughter whom you love that "I've lost everything to you" and say she's broken your heart? - and then the rest of the song treats her, yeah, basically like a child. I mean, please. It's about how people are really mean and this poor, pure, innocent woman just doesn't get it, and Cat Stevens is just trying to protect her from the nasty old world. Like, "Hope you make a lot of nice friends out there / Just remember there's a lot, I'd beware," is such an asinine thing to say - she's an adult and can use her own judgment. Clearly she doesn't want to do whatever you say, because she's breaking up with you.

Pet_Sounds's reading of the song - it being targeted at his daughter - is wrong IMO, but in a way it's spot-on because it completely shows what's wrong with it. Like I said, he has this image of her as a child who's unable to take care of herself. That's kind of awful.

Still a really good album though.

Interesting interpretation. I've always felt it was a sort of cocky proclamation that her life will be worse without him, which I never really thought of as misogynistic. I don't know enough about Cat Stevens in general to be able to make a stance on what he was intending with the song

07-01-2015, 08:36 PM	#154 (permalink)
Pet_Sounds Remember the underscore Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The other side Posts: 2,489	Yes 0 No 2 I like Cat Stevens, but I'm not sure why that album would be considered a classic. __________________ Everybody's dying just to get the disease

07-01-2015, 08:26 PM	#153 (permalink)
Moss Scuttle Buttin' Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Boulder Colorado Posts: 972	I say no on Cat Yes 0 No 1

07-01-2015, 08:41 PM	#155 (permalink)
Josef K A Jew on a motorbike! Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 800	I'm still struggling here. I like Cat Stevens a lot, but I really don't like misogyny - seriously, "Wild World" is gross. At the same time, I think it is a pretty influential album. I'm leaning towards yes but I'm not going to vote either way yet.

07-01-2015, 09:40 PM	#158 (permalink)
Moss Scuttle Buttin' Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Boulder Colorado Posts: 972	I never considered that song misogynistic, just read the lyrics, still don't. Splain?