You are awfully hard on yourself considering I didn't say anything at all in regards to anyone's intelligence. The music people gravitate to can indicate all kinds of things, but intelligence isn't one of them.

Sarcasm aside, do you think My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was the best album of 2010? Or do you think there was something more cultural at work by tastemakers to sway people into having that opinion?

I think it's easily in my top 5 from that year, it's a superb album.

I think it was easily the best album of that year

1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy
2. Mew - Eggs Are Funny
3. The National - High Violet
4. Snowing - I Could Do Whatever I Wanted If I Wanted
5. The Tallest Man on Earth - The Wild Hunt

imo

I don't think it's outwith the realms of possibility or indicative of a grand conspiracy that people and publications share the same AOTY.

Yorke, Ant is about the least elitist person I can think of, but apart from that, you're falling into the trap I did in 2008 that led to my leaving the site in a huff over people's elitist opinions. The point is, it does not matter. I hate Frownland's music, he hates mine and seldom if ever the twain shall meet. That doesn't mean we don't have respect for each other. I think he's an elitist, pretentious git and he thinks my music taste is up my arse. We both accept that, and continue to listen to the music we enjoy. Why let anyone tell you what you should listen to? Only you can prevent forest fires, I mean, decide what music you should or do listen to and enjoy. The fact that others may not like that music doesn't invalidate it.

You need to develop a thicker skin, mate, and not take everything so personally. I learned that lesson. Didn't stop me from being a whiny little bitch every so often, but not all the time at least.

The least elitist person you can think of says things like "but I still wouldn't take any list seriously that puts Kendrick Lamar's To Pimp A Butterfly at #1"? Man, you need to meet some genuinely not-elitist people.

I know him better than you. I've had conversations with him, read his writings, and I know he's not elitist. He's entitled to his views, same as you are to yours. It shouldn't change what you listen to. Everyone here hates Bon Jovi and Marillion: do I say they're elitist for that? Does it matter a **** to me? Do I stop listening to those bands or cry and grind my teeth in a corner in my bedroom? Well, I probably do the last, but that's for different reasons. ;)

Seriously, Ant's good people but if you're not going to get on with him you're not going to get on with him; don't be throwing insults around though just because you don't agree with his point of view, is what I'm saying. If we all did that, I'd be calling Frown all sorts of names and he'd be throwing them back at me. Or banning me, with his new superpowers as a mod.

I'm just saying don't make such a big deal out of it. You're not going to change his opinion nor he yours, so why not just agree to disagree and move on? You're kind of souring the air with all this antagonism you're displaying, and unfortunately, knowing you the little I do, you'll soon start turning that on others who agree with him or try to defend or support him (it's kind of happening already with me, yeah?) and end up in a major ****storm, which could easily end with your being banned. So maybe just cool down and let it be, huh?

Do you want me to go add "arbitrary" to my original post so you can stop whining like a butthurt little girl?

I reiterate:

lol TH it very clearly was and still is over on that front, and just like how we shouldn't care about what people say about music apparently I also do not care that you think he's a good guy

Also waiting for him to trash Manky and I for genuinely loving MBDTF

I think you'll be waiting a lonnnnnng time. Good luck with that.