Show Biz Kids.....

OccultHawk · 06-13-2017, 04:56 PM

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This is the same mentality that killed Princess Diana.

Insert my predictable joke here.

Trollheart · 06-13-2017, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I never liked that line of thinking. So, fans are entitled twats who don't really see celebrities as people so much as a potential experience to tell their friends about, and that's okay cause it's just that one guy we all want to hassle anyway who gets the shaft. This is the same mentality that killed Princess Diana. Yes, it was the photographers who ran her off the road, but the paparazzi wouldn't have been there in the first place if all of us didn't make it so ridiculously profitable to stalk celebrities with a camera.

I love me some celebrity news and **** when it's Lindsay Lohan in court again or Kanye West walking into a street sign, but I'm also not going to get self-righteous when they give me the finger. I'm a pimple on their ass as much as a part of the public who made them rich and famous in the first place. So if Neil Peart doesn't want to entertain everyone who thinks his time is community property then who am I to criticise him?

You're The Batlord, that's who!

But you need to think of it from the other side too. Say you're a fan who's got to see, let's say Rush, for the first and maybe only time in your life. You've travelled hundreds of miles and spent a lot of money getting there. You've waited in the rain or snow for your idols to appear. Geddy and Alex sign, sure, but Neil won't, leaving you without the set. Sure, it's hardly the end of the world but you'd think the guy would care a little, as I said before, about the people who put him where he is? You can't deny that without fans buying his albums and going to his gigs that he would not be where he is today, so why not give them their little moment?

And as for Princess Diana? Are you for ****ing real? Nobody was looking for her autograph. That was pure scum tabloid "journalism", a totally different thing. Don't even try to equate the two.

The Batlord · 06-13-2017, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

You're The Batlord, that's who!

But you need to think of it from the other side too. Say you're a fan who's got to see, let's say Rush, for the first and maybe only time in your life. You've travelled hundreds of miles and spent a lot of money getting there. You've waited in the rain or snow for your idols to appear. Geddy and Alex sign, sure, but Neil won't, leaving you without the set. Sure, it's hardly the end of the world but you'd think the guy would care a little, as I said before, about the people who put him where he is? You can't deny that without fans buying his albums and going to his gigs that he would not be where he is today, so why not give them their little moment?

Sure, it would be nice if they made time for you, and it's understandable to be disappointed if they don't, or even to be offended with how they turn you down, but they're under no obligation do anything but show up and play music. And to be perfectly honest, if I were a celebrity I might get fed up with the 10,000th person who walked up to me and acted like there's some unwritten rule that I was at their disposal like a doctor on call.

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And as for Princess Diana? Are you for ****ing real? Nobody was looking for her autograph. That was pure scum tabloid "journalism", a totally different thing. Don't even try to equate the two.

You couldn't catch a point if you were on the wrong end of a knife throwing show. It all comes down to the same ****. You want a piece of a celebrity and aren't particularly concerned with their consent.

Trollheart · 06-13-2017, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Sure, it would be nice if they made time for you, and it's understandable to be disappointed if they don't, or even to be offended with how they turn you down, but they're under no obligation do anything but show up and play music. And to be perfectly honest, if I were a celebrity I might get fed up with the 10,000th person who walked up to me and acted like there's some unwritten rule that I was at their disposal like a doctor on call.

Meh, you'd love the attention. You'd be ASKING people to take your autographs, you know you would!

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You couldn't catch a point if you were on the wrong end of a knife throwing show. It all comes down to the same ****. You want a piece of a celebrity and aren't particularly concerned with their consent.

Bull****. Is this a strawman? My first one? People seeking a name on a piece of paper as proof they met someone has nothing whatever to do with people who are paid to get compromising pictures of celebrities to sell their ****ty papers. You think people ROB autographs? If you can't get it you can't get it. Nobody forces anyone and nobody (normally) makes a profit out of it. Nothing even remotely in the same universe, pal.

Sure, it's all down to the cult of celebrity and personality worship, but if you're going to tar everyone in that sphere with the same brush you're gonna need one ****ing wide brush.

**Frownland** · 06-13-2017, 05:19 PM

No TH, asking for autographs is like Princess Diana's death in every single way.

Trollheart · 06-13-2017, 05:20 PM

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No TH, asking for autographs is like Princess Diana's death in every single way.

Of course it is. Silly me. How could I have not realised that?

The Batlord · 06-13-2017, 05:31 PM

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Meh, you'd love the attention. You'd be ASKING people to take your autographs, you know you would!

Bull****. Is this a strawman? My first one? People seeking a name on a piece of paper as proof they met someone has nothing whatever to do with people who are paid to get compromising pictures of celebrities to sell their ****ty papers. You think people ROB autographs? If you can't get it you can't get it. Nobody forces anyone and nobody (normally) makes a profit out of it. Nothing even remotely in the same universe, pal.

Sure, it's all down to the cult of celebrity and personality worship, but if you're going to tar everyone in that sphere with the same brush you're gonna need one ****ing wide brush.

Jesus Christ, you simply can not entertain notions you aren't already entertaining. You're like a less incessant version of Chula. The paparazzi are simply your surrogates who do what you aren't willing to do yourself to violate a celebrity's privacy. Demanding autographs and cellphone pics is the less invasive end of the spectrum, but it's still entitled. Fine if the artist is open to taking pics with fans, but if they're not then that's their business.

Trollheart · 06-13-2017, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Jesus Christ, you simply can not entertain notions you aren't already entertaining. You're like a less incessant version of Chula. The paparazzi are simply your surrogates who do what you aren't willing to do yourself to violate a celebrity's privacy. Demanding autographs and cellphone pics is the less invasive end of the spectrum, but it's still entitled. Fine if the artist is open to taking pics with fans, but if they're not then that's their business.

No. You're the one who's refusing to accept that he's wrong. Autograph-hunting is harmless, and almost without exception done with the agreement/consent of the hunted. Paparazzi on the other hand are scum. There is no corellation between the two, other than, as I allowed, they are both part of the cult of personality. But there's a world of difference between the two.

The thing is, you can certainly link the two, but to suggest essentially that autograph hunting can be equated with scumbag journalism is stretching it way way too tight.

Oh, and people don't "demand" autographs, they request them.

**Frownland** · 06-13-2017, 05:39 PM

Harrassing celebrities for photos and autographs to flip them on eBay could be called harmless I guess.

Trollheart · 06-13-2017, 05:41 PM

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Harrassing celebrities for photos and autographs to flip them on eBay could be called harmless I guess.

Well, some people do that, sure, but a lot of people just collect them. It is, or can be, pretty harmless. At any rate, it's in no way relatable to paparazzi tactics. Don't think anyone ever died because someone wanted an autograph.

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	No TH, asking for autographs is like Princess Diana's death in every single way. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Harrassing celebrities for photos and autographs to flip them on eBay could be called harmless I guess. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x