right. so essentially your opinion on this is equivalent to parents going crazy over Kiss in the 80s.

Actually by the 80's Kiss was pretty much taken as a joke. The year I worked at a used record store (1981), you couldn't even sell a Kiss album in the dollar bin.

Even in the seventies, I think the only things parents were concerned about would be Kiss fans setting themselves on fire doing Gene Simmons' famous stunt. One kid tried that in my High School English Class and singed his eyebrows off :laughing:

It really was. Felt like a party. Granted, the lame venue didn't let GWAR use their full arsenal of crazy **** they shoot at you, but the same with ICP. From what I hear ICP at The Gathering is an absolute spectacle not to be missed that is worthy of a climax to a days long festival. I'd honestly go to The Gathering at a moment's notice if only to people watch and see what ICP do at the end. Whatever the case, ICP were easily the more dramatic and charismatic, whereas GWAR relied much more on visual spectacle rather than actual performance.

We're talking about the impact of shock artists, which is inevitably tied to time period. Were you there to see the impact of Alice Cooper? No. Neither was I. So neither of us can truly judge but by hindsight, so judging the cultural impact of ICP when you were still sucking on your mom's tits is kind of impossible. By the time you were a thing ICP were a meme, but that says absolutely nothing of when they hit the mainstream.

KISS were so so so GREAT live, I don’t care what anyone says. They made history every night.

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ICP was an embarrassing phase kids went through just like being a goth or any other popular teenage trend. sure, they had a cultural impact. but it's still hilarious in retrospect and doesn't change what i said about why people gravitate towards the group.

For many it’s more than a phase.

“Down with the Clown till I’m Dead in the Ground”

Clearly. I'm never gonna pretend that ICP were ever not goofy, but I'd question whether or not Alice Cooper was the same at the time before he was decided to be legit by... whoever. Shock rock will always be embarrassing to the generation after, cause it's always goofy and dumb. Even Alice Cooper. After that it's only relevant by the quality of the music, which as of 2017 is all we can really judge Alice Cooper, Marilyn Manson, GG Allin, or ICP for. And I'd say that ICP definitely get the pass as artists who deserve more than the fanbase that they got. Even if they earned that fanbase by being twats who courted that fanbase.

and that's why they're a meme

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I doubt that, unless it was with his corpse. Crosby died in 1977.

I'm not familiar with Manson.