MB Classics: John Coltrane - Sun Ship
 

Current album is John Coltrane's Sun Ship

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Your vote only counts if you say something about the album. It doesn't need to be a paragraph, just a couple sentences about the album.

Also, I'll ask mods to delete Votes this time. Just a couple of sentences, that's all. If you don't say anything but vote there will be no warning before the vote is deleted.

@mods I derped and forgot the poll. Can you guys fix it?

You also called the album Sunny Ships, not Sun Ship...

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This is off to a good start.

Just listened. I wasn't sure what to expect as I'm more familiar with albums like Blue Train and A Love Supreme, but I liked this a lot. This was released posthumously so I don't know if he had intended this to be released but it's certainly worthy. I gave it a nine.

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Okay, A Love Supreme, so sue me, okay? :D

I doubled down on the derp and forgot to make the votes public.

Sunny Shippy Ships is everything I love about jazz. Every single moment on this album is dripping in raw emotion, freedom, beauty, energy, virtuosity, thoughtful communication, and atmosphere. Every player on this album is a goddamn beast prying open the doors of their instruments, finding hallways that were mostly unexplored at the time. This record takes me places. It's so pure that listening to it is like drinking a glass of water. It's so amazing that it's like drinking a glass of water when you're on the brink of giving in to dehydration. 100/10

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Born Shippy

Relatively enjoyable, but it doesn't seem like anything special to me. I liked it enough to give it an 8/10 and I even added one of the songs to my casual playlist on Spotify. But I'm not the biggest jazz fan anyway so it doesn't strike me as something I'll be really enjoying for years to come. It's good and that's about it.

Why did I even say my piece when it has already been summed up perfectly?

First time hearing the album. I could tell within the first five seconds this album going to be good. I also could tell Elvin Jones was on drums too.

What piqued my curiosity about John Coltrane was Jimmy McGuinn citing him as a influence. It took a few years. One of my favorite song by him was Mr PC which I found on a compilation that was Jazz: A Film by Ken Burns.

I wasn't till I got a better computer a few years ago to watch him play live on YouTube. I was mesmerized by seeing John Coltrane play Favorite Things live. I would come home and watch the video only to find that would be taken down by YouTube for whatever reason. Then after some time pass I look to see if it was posted again by someone else. I completely loosing track how many times I've seen in total. So while I never see John Coltrane play live on stage it was sufficient for me to see him play even if it is a video upload of a video tapping of a broadcast of a live performance.

Sometimes I wonder if the connection between the performer and the audience gets lost when we only hear a recording of music not see a person perform. I am not saying the music is less effective, but is lacking something quintessential like the person-to-person experience of the musician to the listener? I don't hear a bunch of notes being played, I hear John Coltrane playing.

Jazz performances inform you of the musician's motives more clearly and that makes their improvisations more understandable. You can also see how the performers interact to dismiss any silly notions of the musicians just "doing their own thing."

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That's interesting. Sketches of Spain is probably my favorite Miles Davis album. What did you think of it?

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Hopefully my rating doesn't anchor this album down unduly, but this was not for me. I found this stressful to listen to. Not good-stressful like Giacinto Scelsi or Chelsea Wolfe. Stressful like I was being subjected to an unpleasant stimulus that I could not end and could only wait out. This is not my first avant-garde jazz album, but I've probably heard fewer than ten. To be fair, I understand that avant-garde jazz takes a trained ear to appreciate, and that a significant amount of its value is in the musical theory and technical details, but as someone who listens to music and doesn't play it, I simply found it a mess to listen to; unpleasant and frustrating chaos that felt like work. I have not thrown in the towel on jazz, but this is not what will be my eventual gateway album. Mea culpa.

Exactly how I felt listening The Fall and a couple of other albums I had to listen to the last couple of weeks.

If you want a Jazz album ease into the genre then I would highly recommend Moonlight in Vermont by Johnny Smith featuring Stan Getz on sax. I love that album dearly, it is one of my all time favorites.

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A short excerpt of Elvin Jones explaining his style. It might add a tiny insight to his style of drumming, maybe it will help to understand and enjoy album a little bit more.
Elvin Jones Drum Solo Demonstration

Cool video. I'd be really interested in his thoughts on Coltrane as a bandleader and his thought process when it comes to recording this album in particular.

This album is a mess, it's all over the place, but it's great and I love it. It's very avant garde, so I can see why some people would hate this because it's similar to Trout Mask Replica where it's just bat**** crazy and it doesn't seem to follow any patterns really. I like when music does that.

I know I’ve kind of been a dick talking to you about music so I’m not wearing my dickhead here. Coltrane’s playing is actually obsessively about very complicated patterns. It’s a lot like organic patterns in nature. He takes a theme and reworks it in a very systematic way.

This isn’t like the Daydream Nation conversation where I was just needling at you for no reason. I'm not just contradicting you on purpose. It just caught my eye when you mentioned patterns.

I’m not voting in this poll because I won’t partake in a poll that accepts less than the highest possible rating for Coltrane’s music.

Great clip

beautiful to hear his voice

greatest drummer ever

Geez, Occult. Even the Beatles weren't perfect.


Oh, well, it will probably be a classic anyway :)

After the first two tracks, I can see that I don't want to bother with the rest of this album. It would be unfair to vote, and I won't.

You're worse than those jerks on Ebay: "Five star rating only! Five star rating only!" :rolleyes:

His music means a lot to me. It might sound childish when I explain it but it has shown me something enlightening. It has taken me somewhere I didn’t think existed. Even further than LSD and much better because it’s so much more enriching long term and unlike an acid trip Coltrane’s music can be taken apart and understood. Maybe it’s silly to treat it like it’s sacred but it fills that role in my life. I know it’s only sound vibrations but I think it triggers the god button in my brain.

I feel the same way tbh.

I've got that with some other artists but I'll avoid ridicule by not saying which.

Some music has just grown to be immensely important to me and become a part of the fabric of my life to the degree where it's hard to imagine life without.

If I'm ever to appreciate Coltrane, it would have to be his best foot forward. More likely, I'll need to get into some other jazz first.

The point I'm trying to make is that I may be into [insert artist here] and think they're the greatest thing ever, but even I would know there would be people who would not appreciate iah, and I would accept that. To say you only accept top ratings for anyone's album, no matter who they are, is, to be fair, and honest, musical snobbery. How do you know how other people feel, especially those not into jazz?

Mind you, I should point out that I have not yet listened to this; I may, but some of the reviews have warned me that it will not be something I would personally like. I did hear a few Coltrane tracks and liked them, but within anyone's discography has to be the potential for some albums that will not necessarily appeal to everyone.

Those people can go get ****ed if they're going to dismiss an album like this for not being pop music or directly aligning with their tastes. You could write a thesis on why this album is absolutely perfect both from a musical theory standpoint and from the viewpoint of an uninformed listener. This isn't just an album with a song that people like from the radio, this album is a goddamn musical revolution.

Coltrane has dips in his discography but this album is certainly not it. Appealing to everyone is a ****ty goal anyways, I'll gladly inform people not into it that they're wrong.