I hate grunge.

~~MicShazam~~ · 05-10-2018, 01:27 AM

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Perhaps mathcore would be more your style?

The Dillinger Escape Plan:

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Finally got around to hearing these this morning. I liked them all more or less, but I'm also aware of a problem I have with a lot of abrasive bands of varying stripes. I can go for this kind of thing for a handful songs, but on album level, I tend to find that bands like these become too one-dimensional. It's not so much that the abrasive sound becomes too much over the course of an album (although it can), as it's the lack of varying modes of musical expression. I find screaming and crunchy guitars to have it's limits, and after a while, I'm ready to move on to something else.

Very few albums that stick to the noisy and extreme side of things all the way through really hold my attention as albums. I've got a few CD's with Iwrestledabearonce, for example, and while I think they're good, I hardly ever managed to listen to any of them all the way through. I tend to just throw a couple tracks into a playlist - which kind of defeats the purpose of an album.

The more extreme bands whose albums I listen to in full tend to have a more varied musical range. Take the tech-death-core-whatever band Gorod, for example. Sure, lot's of growling and drum pounding and heavy riffing, but there's also a clear melodic aspect to what the band is doing and across the length of an album, their music is quite dynamic, varied and interesting.

Just my thoughts. So I like these songs, but can't imagine to I'd really connect with full albums by either artist in the long run - not if these tracks are representative of their style.

The Batlord · 05-10-2018, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

Finally got around to hearing these this morning. I liked them all more or less, but I'm also aware of a problem I have with a lot of abrasive bands of varying stripes. I can go for this kind of thing for a handful songs, but on album level, I tend to find that bands like these become too one-dimensional. It's not so much that the abrasive sound becomes too much over the course of an album (although it can), as it's the lack of varying modes of musical expression. I find screaming and crunchy guitars to have it's limits, and after a while, I'm ready to move on to something else.

Very few albums that stick to the noisy and extreme side of things all the way through really hold my attention as albums. I've got a few CD's with Iwrestledabearonce, for example, and while I think they're good, I hardly ever managed to listen to any of them all the way through. I tend to just throw a couple tracks into a playlist - which kind of defeats the purpose of an album.

The more extreme bands whose albums I listen to in full tend to have a more varied musical range. Take the tech-death-core-whatever band Gorod, for example. Sure, lot's of growling and drum pounding and heavy riffing, but there's also a clear melodic aspect to what the band is doing and across the length of an album, their music is quite dynamic, varied and interesting.

Just my thoughts. So I like these songs, but can't imagine to I'd really connect with full albums by either artist in the long run - not if these tracks are representative of their style.

That's what Zao are for.

~~MicShazam~~ · 05-10-2018, 04:56 AM

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That's what Zao are for.

All of the videos are blocked in my country.
Listened to the whole thing on Spotify instead.
Really good album! I'm checking out some of their later albums too.

The Batlord · 05-10-2018, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

All of the videos are blocked in my country.
Listened to the whole thing on Spotify instead.
Really good album! I'm checking out some of their later albums too.

The Batlord · 05-10-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

All of the videos are blocked in my country.
Listened to the whole thing on Spotify instead.
Really good album! I'm checking out some of their later albums too.

And I've been curious for a while what you'd think of this. Kind of a shot in the dark but it's hard to get a feel on your music taste.

Black Francis · 05-10-2018, 11:20 AM

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And I've been curious for a while what you'd think of this. Kind of a shot in the dark but it's hard to get a feel on your music taste.

I've been wondering that myself.

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Good idea for a thread. I thought about doing a thread like this but wasn't sure if it would work but i hope it does.

For Batlord

Some darkwave about the devil, he would like this, right?

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The Batlord · 05-10-2018, 11:35 AM

Needy as ****.

~~MicShazam~~ · 05-10-2018, 11:40 AM

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And I've been curious for a while what you'd think of this. Kind of a shot in the dark but it's hard to get a feel on your music taste.

Listening to it right now. I really dig it! Kind of reminds me of Crisis (metal band whose music I've been posting here and there) and some songs by Dir En Grey (not least "Grief").

But yeah, people seem confused about what I like. It's not like I even really know how to explain it myself. There's not really a particular genre that dominates everything, and if I try to explain what I like in more general terms, it becomes meaninglessly general (melody and harmony, songs with fluid progressions, dynamic sounding music...).

I don't have any idea how to describe my tastes. I know what I like when I hear it, I guess.

~~MicShazam~~ · 05-10-2018, 11:50 AM

I wanted to say a few things about the above album, but I forgot to write it along with the rest.

There's a distinctly nu-metal like aspect to the vocal delivery, but I don't see this as a bad thing. Nu metal as a style of music, infamous and hated as it is, has seeped into all sorts of places over the years and I hear nu metal influences in all sorts of modern metal bands - both vocally and musically. This album might not be nu metal influenced (it's from 1997), but nu metal could have taken inspiration from whatever musical movement this album was part of. That's the thing with musical inspiration. It's not a simple picture of connections - like a perfectly formed spiderweb - but more of a huge, messy bundle of tangled strings.

The music on this album is really lively sounding. I often describe death metal albums as boring. This is not because I can't enjoy heavy and extreme music, but because a lot of it just sounds stiff and bloodless to me. This album sounds downright explosive. There's a really great, detailed feel to the production too (yeah, yeah I know, no one agrees and/or understands my perspective on production either) that lends a lot of vibrancy to the music - but the drums in particular. I LOVE the drums on this album. Makes me want to jump around and punch things. Great guitar tone, love the over the top, very passionate vocals.

Actually... if more death metal had an unhinged, passionate feeling to it, I'd like more of it. Most of it sounds too controlled and that makes me appreciate death metal with more going on musically over simple bread and butter death metal.

Whatever you'd call this Kiss It Goodbye album, genre wise (probably metalcore), it's waaaay closer to what I like my heavy, abrasive music to sound like than what metal stalwarts like death metal and black metal can deliver.

The Batlord · 05-10-2018, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam

I wanted to say a few things about the above album, but I forgot to write it along with the rest.

There's a distinctly nu-metal like aspect to the vocal delivery, but I don't see this as a bad thing. Nu metal as a style of music, infamous and hated as it is, has seeped into all sorts of places over the years and I hear nu metal influences in all sorts of modern metal bands - both vocally and musically. This album might not be nu metal influenced (it's from 1997), but nu metal could have taken inspiration from whatever musical movement this album was part of. That's the thing with musical inspiration. It's not a simple picture of connections - like a perfectly formed spiderweb - but more of a huge, messy bundle of tangled strings.

The music on this album is really lively sounding. I often describe death metal albums as boring. This is not because I can't enjoy heavy and extreme music, but because a lot of it just sounds stiff and bloodless to me. This album sounds downright explosive. There's a really great, detailed feel to the production too (yeah, yeah I know, no one agrees and/or understands my perspective on production either) that lends a lot of vibrancy to the music - but the drums in particular. I LOVE the drums on this album. Makes me want to jump around and punch things. Great guitar tone, love the over the top, very passionate vocals.

Actually... if more death metal had an unhinged, passionate feeling to it, I'd like more of it. Most of it sounds too controlled and that makes me appreciate death metal with more going on musically over simple bread and butter death metal.

Whatever you'd call this Kiss It Goodbye album, genre wise (probably metalcore), it's waaaay closer to what I like my heavy, abrasive music to sound like than what metal stalwarts like death metal and black metal can deliver.

I guess I'd call it metalcore with a lot of post-hardcore, noise rock, and math rock influences. They and the band that eventually became Kiss It Goodbye, Deadguy, were very influential on mathcore though neither ever got into wank territory. You should check out Deadguy as well. Same vocalist, with a somewhat more traditional metalcore sound, but unique jagged riffing that'll probably be more obviously mathcore.

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~~MicShazam~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Aalborg Posts: 7,636	I wanted to say a few things about the above album, but I forgot to write it along with the rest. There's a distinctly nu-metal like aspect to the vocal delivery, but I don't see this as a bad thing. Nu metal as a style of music, infamous and hated as it is, has seeped into all sorts of places over the years and I hear nu metal influences in all sorts of modern metal bands - both vocally and musically. This album might not be nu metal influenced (it's from 1997), but nu metal could have taken inspiration from whatever musical movement this album was part of. That's the thing with musical inspiration. It's not a simple picture of connections - like a perfectly formed spiderweb - but more of a huge, messy bundle of tangled strings. The music on this album is really lively sounding. I often describe death metal albums as boring. This is not because I can't enjoy heavy and extreme music, but because a lot of it just sounds stiff and bloodless to me. This album sounds downright explosive. There's a really great, detailed feel to the production too (yeah, yeah I know, no one agrees and/or understands my perspective on production either) that lends a lot of vibrancy to the music - but the drums in particular. I LOVE the drums on this album. Makes me want to jump around and punch things. Great guitar tone, love the over the top, very passionate vocals. Actually... if more death metal had an unhinged, passionate feeling to it, I'd like more of it. Most of it sounds too controlled and that makes me appreciate death metal with more going on musically over simple bread and butter death metal. Whatever you'd call this Kiss It Goodbye album, genre wise (probably metalcore), it's waaaay closer to what I like my heavy, abrasive music to sound like than what metal stalwarts like death metal and black metal can deliver.