The Batlord

Risk is awesome. It's cringey as **** but has some of the best pop metal/rock ever laid down. The overkill-is-more production alone is worth the price of admission.

Load, Reload, and Black Album however are too mediocre for me to bother rating them. I'll just go with meh/10.

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Nick1976

I used to wear my patch vests every day back then. I had a couple of jackets. I rocked my patch jackets every chance I got. We'd wear that **** all the time in high school. There was like 10 of us all patched out. People thought we were a gang or something. Oh...my high school-days are AGES ago..hahaha... my teachers weren't really happy with my outfit. But i gave a ****..and was wearing it every day anyway.
I was not that bad at school, so my parents didn't mind what i am wearing at school - as long my 'school marks' are ok.

Nick1976

I think when grunge came out, it became fashionable to be average musicians, sing songs about depression and cringe at anyone who had big hair and was actually good at playing an instrument. In that wake of Grunge there were a lot of bands that didn't deserve to be thrown by the wayside. Kurt Cobain was ****. Kurt Cobain's song writing was trash. Really listen to "smells like teen spirit." It sounded like that he just mushed a bunch of words that rhymed together and forced it into a song. He couldn't play the guitar worth a piss and his vocals were gar-bitch. Dude sounded like he gargled on some **** when he sang If he were alive today he would have been a has-been. He died at his height... that is the only reason why people consider him a "legend" like I said if he were alive today he would be playing concerts at Wal-Mart.

MicShazam

I think Cobain was a legit good songwriter with an ear for a good melody. He had a singing voice that matched the music perfectly as well.

You're entitled to the hate boner you have for grunge, but couldn't you at least say something new? You keep reiterating that grunge bands had no musical talent, but that's a very myopic and closed minded way to look at things. You're too caught up in the idea that music has to be this very specific thing and come from this very particular perspective. It might not be your thing, but I honestly don't believe that you've ever even tried to understand it.

There's lots of genres I'm not a fan of (yet), but I wouldn't simply dismiss the talent of all involved. That's just not very constructive. It's much more interesting to try and give genres yet another chance now and then.

I bitch, moan and whine about all sorts of bands that I don't like - I'll admit that - but I wouldn't dismiss a whole genre. I've even started to see the light in hip hop... it's a brave new world and it definetely beats becoming a grumpy old man as the years pass. I kind of really, really want to avoid that.

Black Francis

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Here's some Kurt Lyrics that i think fit in this thread.

"Hate your enemies
Save, save your friends
Find, find your place
Speak, speak the truth"

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"Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

grindy

Wow. It's like something a twelve year old has written.

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Black Francis

lol a very talented 12 yr old.

it's not just what he says, it's when and how he says it in the song. It makes a difference alright.

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"Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

grindy

Nah, a pretty average one.

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Black Francis

Well i like his lyrics though i admit he's not a genius lyricist. I like his timing in some of them for exmpl in Serve the Servants, the first track of In Utero after all his nevermind fame.

"Teenage angst has paid off well
Now I'm bored and old
Self-appointed judges judge
More than they have sold"

That's good verse in my opinion and he has tons of well timed lyrics in others songs that go perfectly with the mood of the song.

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"Hey Kids you got to meet the MIGHTY PIXIES!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbRbCtIgW3A

Nick1976

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cCR3Q17egs&t=4942s This was filmed in September 1991 right when Grunge was beginning to ruin the best era of rock. I seen them on this tour, Blood, Sweat, and Beers tour. Them, Firehouse, and Trixter. Definitely in my top ten shows ever. When Metal ruled! I think Nirvana was a very musically limited band. I think Nirvana is overrated in the sense that people act like they are the greatest band to have made grunge music when in my eyes Alice in Chains, Sound Garden, Stone Temple Pilots (early albums), Mother Love Bone are much better bands in terms of musical talent. They were also somewhat responsible for taking the guitar solo out of music that had been so prominent in the 70s and 80s and I hate them for that. For me their whole status is massively inflated by this (perceived by many) rebellious rock ' n roll suicide romanticism of Cobain shooting himself dead at the age of 27 after years as a heroin junkie, so it's like that whole James Dean thing (who was a lousy actor who made a few mostly pretty terrible movies that gained huge appeal after his death) and John Belushi (for me a moderately talented comedian) and Sid Vicious (who never had a single musical bone in his body) - you wonder if guys like this had lived they'd all by now be living in disgraceful middle-age, and starring on celebrity ballroom dancing reality shows?