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Old 06-13-2019, 03:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yeah, having opinions are fairly basic.
Being a Tool lover or Tool hater are two different brands of opinion that don't cover the whole spectrum. The former is based on an ignorance of virtually any other music, which makes Tool's music stand out as the most inventive and brilliant thing ever. The latter is based on a rejection of that basic bitch fanbase as opposed to the mediocre music.
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:50 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I wasn't the original but at no point in my life have I ever gotten why people even tolerate them. They don't have immediacy but they're also not interesting, they're just... there.

Currently listening to Undertow and I guess I can see where plebes who literally can not and will never be able to listen to anything truly off the wall would find this mindblowing but just imagining that is like trying to put myself in the mind of a typical Trump voter.
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Being a Tool lover or Tool hater are two different brands of opinion that don't cover the whole spectrum. The former is based on an ignorance of virtually any other music, which makes Tool's music stand out as the most inventive and brilliant thing ever. The latter is based on a rejection of that basic bitch fanbase as opposed to the mediocre music.
Bro I never even knew they had a dedicated fanbase until a year or two ago. I've never met a single Tool fan who wasn't just a basic FM radio rock fan. My distaste for Tool is entirely down to Tool.
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:55 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Bro I never even knew they had a dedicated fanbase until a year or two ago. I've never met a single Tool fan who wasn't just a basic FM radio rock fan. My distaste for Tool is entirely down to Tool.
You recognize their overwhelming mediocrity but don't think they're among the worst artists ever, I'd say that puts you outside of the hater group.
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:57 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Being a Tool lover or Tool hater are two different brands of opinion that don't cover the whole spectrum. The former is based on an ignorance of virtually any other music, which makes Tool's music stand out as the most inventive and brilliant thing ever. The latter is based on a rejection of that basic bitch fanbase as opposed to the mediocre music.
But, like, this explanation is ironic because it fails to acknowledge that opinions exist for a variety of reasons that aren't the ones you boxed them in with. Boxing people in with stereotypes over their opinions is fairly plebeian, yo.

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I wasn't the original but at no point in my life have I ever gotten why people even tolerate them. They don't have immediacy but they're also not interesting, they're just... there.

Currently listening to Undertow and I guess I can see where plebes who literally can not and will never be able to listen to anything truly off the wall would find this mindblowing but just imagining that is like trying to put myself in the mind of a typical Trump voter.
I've honestly never really listened to Tool. I don't really have an opinion because nothing has really grabbed my attention outside of the fact that they are one of the most well loved bands out there. But I'd guess the reason that people see them that way is because they found a well balance between being poppy and inventive.
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Old 06-13-2019, 03:59 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I'm usually the one giving the recs as most of my friends have stagnated their tastes to the same ****, or some **** that reminds them of what they've been listening to since high school.
^ Yes, this has happened to me too, so much so that my friends don't really care for my recs anymore. That's why I really value the discussions on MB. Thanks to everyone for keeping music alive.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:00 PM   #28 (permalink)
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But, like, this explanation is ironic because it fails to acknowledge that opinions exist for a variety of reasons that aren't the ones you boxed them in with. Boxing people in with stereotypes over their opinions is fairly plebeian, yo.
Nah, I'm pretty on point with the Tool fetishism/hate boner cycle. The haters wouldn't give a **** if they came across Tool on bandcamp, they'd just go "meh" and move on. It's the annoying fanbase that drives the haters, and it's ignorance that drives the annoying fanbase.
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Old 06-13-2019, 04:01 PM   #29 (permalink)
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You recognize their overwhelming mediocrity but don't think they're among the worst artists ever, I'd say that puts you outside of the hater group.
I consider myself a hater, but being a hater for me is more just a fun thing to do cause being an out and proud Tool or a Pink Floyd hater will result in more fun conversations than bothering to be a hater of some band nobody talks about. I'm not a salaried hater though yeah. It's just a hobby.
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Nah, I'm pretty on point with the Tool fetishism/hate boner cycle. The haters wouldn't give a **** if they came across Tool on bandcamp, they'd just go "meh" and move on. It's the annoying fanbase that drives the haters, and it's ignorance that drives the annoying fanbase.
Maybe for the most part. But I'm sure there are other people who have different reasons to hate the band.
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