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Trollheart 10-28-2019 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton (Post 2086231)

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Trollheart 10-28-2019 10:40 AM

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Title: The Rain
Artist: Ghazal
Genre: Classical/World Fusion
Artist Reaction: Never heard of them so shrug
Genre Reaction: Not at all bad. I like classical and I can certainly dig some world music
Familiarity: Zero
Suggested by: grindy
A Little Background: Very little really that I can dig up. Ghazal appears to be a three-man outfit, helmed by Kayhan Kalhor, who plays something called a kamencheh, which from the picture appears to be a cross between a lyre and a violin, and is an Iranian traditional instrument, Shujaat Khan, who plays the sitar and Swapan Chadhuri, who plays the tabla. Their style is said to be a blend of Indian and Persian classical music.
Expectations: Not really sure, but this could be at least a Like I hope.
Overview: Their fourth album, The Rain was actually nominated for a World Music Grammy in 2004. Oddly enough, despite the above, tabla player is listed as Sandeep Das, so perhaps a lineup change for this album? It only has three tracks in all, but none of them run for less than fifteen minutes, so the album still comes out at around 53 minutes in total.

Fire: The unmistakable sound of a sitar, always, in my mind, synonymous with Indian and Eastern countries like that is joined by what sounds like a violin, and therefore I’m assuming this is the first we hear of the kamencheh. For someone completely unversed in this kind of music the traditional images appear in my mind, of deserts and camels and rolling dunes and dudes swathed in white flowing robes with dark, piercing eyes, the sun a burning orb in the clear, metal-blue sky above. Yurts and oases are other images, all I’m sure very stereotypical, but this is what comes into my mind. Very relaxed and gentle as it begins, a certain shimmering in the music which reminds me of snake charmers (stereotype 101, I know) but one thing certainly emerges very early, and that is that these guys are not just adept on their instruments, they’re masters of them.

Vocal now comes in, very low and I must say soothing, almost a lullaby, gentle and reassuring. This is by now almost five minutes into the eighteen-minute opening track. Some great interplay now between the instruments, the tabla coming more into the mix, vocals dropping out for the moment. That kamencheh is just a beautiful instrument I must say, and the sitar complements it so well. I don’t think we’re about to get any shredding, but the guys can make both sitar and kamencheh rock when they want to. A little more vocal in the tenth minute - these guys are definitely believers in the axiom of less is more, at least when it comes to vocals; Shujaat Khan knows just when to sing and when to let the music do the talking - then we’re off on a pretty frenetic instrumental call-and-response between sitar and kamencheh, with the tabla looking on wisely.

Three paragraphs, and only the first track? You’d better believe it! This album does not deserve a few pithy lines, and in fact I doubt that would even be possible. It’s quite likely that I will end up writing as much as, or even more than I wrote for Beefheart’s thirty-odd tracks as I do for these three epics. The soundscapes these lads weave between them are nothing less than spellbinding, and to draw on yet another cliche, they have the power to transport you to a foreign land and make you feel instantly at home there. Really speeding up now as we head into the final few minutes, and by Allah it doesn’t seem like it’s been eighteen! Big finish and we’re onto track two. Hey, sounds like that track was live! Maybe all of this album is.

Dawn: Kamencheh opens this one on a low, mournful sequence as the rest of the instruments hold back for now. This is the shortest (!) track, at just seconds under fifteen minutes, and now the sitar is taking over, running off a kind of Bachesque fugue there, then quieting right back down again as the kamencheh comes in hard (ooer!) and re-establishes its mastery and domination of the track. If you’re wondering why I’m referring to the instruments and not the musicians, there’s a very good reason: I’m a lazy bastard and don’t want to keep writing out those Indian names! :laughing: Sitar now pushing kamencheh to one side and saying “I’ll take this one, son,” and doing a hell of a good job on it. To be perfectly honest, though they’re probably there I can’t hear much of the tabla and this piece seems almost percussion-free so far, which is the sixth min - oh I hear it now. Very hollow and almost like tapping on metal pipes or something, and now the singing begins, again very low and soft, almost muttered or hummed before it picks up in strength a little.

This is without doubt beautiful, ethereal, almost spiritual music, and I think though it’s a little hard to review it, it’s certainly going to be harder to stop listening to it. To paraphrase Monty Burns: is all Persian music this wonderful? And again it appears to be live, though you can only tell by the applause (very much deserved) at the end. Of course, it’s not the kind of music where you would expect to have people shouting and whistling and clapping. Calls of “Yeah!” or “Play Eternity!” would not, I think, go down well in this environment.

Eternity: Opened this time on the sitar, though it doesn’t take long for the kamencheh to join in. This is in fact the longest on the album, almost twenty minutes long. All the instruments coming together really well here, but so far (six minutes and counting) no vocals. And just as I typed that someone spoke. Just a word I think. Still no singing yet. A more uptempo piece this, I feel, kind of bouncy and joyous whereas the last two have been more restrained and kind of elegant, a real sense of peace and tranquility about them. There’s that voice again. If this is, like the other two tracks, live, then maybe they’re just talking to each other occasionally as they play?

Twelve minutes now and still no vocal. I’m not complaining; not that the vocal is unwelcome, but the music is just so damn good that it survives on its own. Singing is a great bonus, but I’ll take this. And it’s turning out to be the best track too. Out of three, I know that’s not saying much, but given the length of each track and how absolutely not a second of either even came close to sucking, I think that it is quite an achievement. As we head into the seventeenth minute I feel it’s safe to assume there will be no singing on this track. Stunningly superb even so. A real workout for the guys: bet they were sweating after that. Rain indeed!



Conclusion: Talk about someone opening your eyes! For some reason I assumed grindy’s selection would be black metal or noise rock or experimental or some mad thing. I was certainly relieved when I read who Ghazal are, but there was still an element of maybe, will this be boring? Hell no! Best pick so far. I know there’ve only been two, and the first I already knew of, but top marks g-man!

So, Love or Hate? Total True Love here.

Neapolitan 10-28-2019 06:48 PM

As promised: Gang of Four - entertainment! See no Frownland & Neapolitan conspiracy there. N.B. this post is for later, when cycle through all the other members' requests and begin: Love or Hate Reborn - Round 2
Gang of Four - entertainment!
https://i.postimg.cc/1X5xXmKM/gang-o...ertainment.jpg

Trollheart 10-28-2019 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 2086354)
As promised: Gang of Four - entertainment! See no Frownland & Neapolitan conspiracy there. N.B. this post is for later, when cycle through all the other members' requests and begin: Love or Hate Reborn - Round 2
Gang of Four - entertainment!

https://i.postimg.cc/1X5xXmKM/gang-o...ertainment.jpg

I'll take it, but I'd prefer everyone wait till their selection has been done before posting their next one. Otherwise I'll be forever going back and forward, trying to see who posted what when.

So, any more suggestions from anyone who has already an album in the queue, hold off please until your album is done.
Thanks.

Tristan_Geoff 10-28-2019 08:26 PM

Can you add my band's album? I think I gave you the link earlier

Neapolitan 10-28-2019 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2086367)
I'll take it, but I'd prefer everyone wait till their selection has been done before posting their next one. Otherwise I'll be forever going back and forward, trying to see who posted what when.

So, any more suggestions from anyone who has already an album in the queue, hold off please until your album is done.
Thanks.

OK will do. I was going to wait, and let it be a surprise, but then there was this conspiracy theory floating around involving Frownland and me over the Trout Mask Replica album recommendation. I wanted to let you know I was on the level, and wasn't conspiring with Frownland. So that why I posted it so soon.

grindy 10-28-2019 10:41 PM

Very glad you enjoyed Ghazal!
I was relatively sure you would but then again it might have been too exotic, the tracks too long and it all too (gasp) live.

Next one:
Illusion Machine by Bret Higgins’ Atlas Revolt
https://open.spotify.com/album/3L1bg...apNkF7EKy?nd=1

Trollheart 10-29-2019 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 2086393)
Very glad you enjoyed Ghazal!
I was relatively sure you would but then again it might have been too exotic, the tracks too long and it all too (gasp) live.

Next one:
Illusion Machine by Bret Higgins’ Atlas Revolt
https://open.spotify.com/album/3L1bg...apNkF7EKy?nd=1

Yeah, probably Trollheart circa 2012/13 might have; he was an impatient, intolerant bastard. They'll never find his body though.
:shycouch:
No I really enjoyed it end to end, not a bit of it I didn't. Yer man has such a soothing voice, and that kamencheh? Just beautiful. Thanks for introducing me to this music.

Trollheart 10-29-2019 03:18 PM

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Title: The Invisible Comes to Us
Artist: Anna & Elizabeth
Genre: Folk/World/Country
Artist Reaction: Never heard of them so neutral
Genre Reaction: No problems here
Familiarity: Zero
Suggested by: Frownland
A Little Background: Anna Roberts-Gevalt and Elizabeth Laprelle are an American duo who specialise in integrating traditional folk music, Americana and especially Appalachian music with experimental techniques. Anna plays banjo while Elizabeth sings and is a multi-instrumentalist.
Expectations: The word “experimental” always worries me, but I don’t fear too much that I’ll hate this. I’m going for a hopefully pretty strong Like.
Overview: This is their second album, and no, I have no idea what the title means, though it sounds vaguely spiritual or religious.

Jeano: Starts acapella, very haunting, reminds me a little of Suzanne Vega, then deep organ sighs in, and Anna and Elizabeth begin to harmonise, which is very nice indeed. Can’t find much in the way of details on the album but it sounds like maybe horns and some sort of bells being added in, which gives an extra layer to the music. Fading out now on sort of oriental-style chimes. Very nice start.
Black Eyed Susan: Darker and more brooding this time, with heavy, sullen drumbeats and the banjo leading the tune, organ in the background kind of, then that all fades out and we’re left with the vocal, solo this time, and banjo, sort of a distant rolling percussion which also fades out. One of the longer songs on the album, this runs for just over five minutes. Nice sort of stuttering effect, which sounds like someone crumpling up tinfoil or static on the radio. Fits in well.
Ripest of Apples: Led by banjo again this time, a softer vocal with a kind of more upbeat tone that the last two tracks, sort of a country feel to this. Drums get very insistent and powerful here near the end.
Irish Patriot: First time since the opener we hear the two ladies sing together. They should do this more. Another droning organ complementing them, not a carbon copy by any means of “Jeano” but quite close in structure. Some sort of taped speech now, getting a little confused, with a swirling keyboard line and now alto sax, which pulls it back on track.
John of Hazelgreen: And more vocal harmonies, almost acapella but accompanied by soft tripping banjo, and sounds like there might be flute in there too. Nice.
Woman is Walking: Pure acapella as the two girls harmonise. It’s short, so I hope it stays like - no, there’s organ and some small percussion coming in now. Well it’s still really nice; I just would have preferred, for such a short track, them to perform it acapella.
Virginia Rambler: Basically acapella again but just one voice this time, with some sporadic percussion behind her. If I assume that to be Anna singing, then Elizabeth has now joined her, and there’s a droning organ adding its effect too.
By the Shore: Sounds like Waits does folk for a few moments, then the organ slides in (oo-****ing-er!), the vocal fast and sort of echoed in delay (not sure if it’s the same voice, probably not). I’d say this is the first one I haven’t really liked. Reprises the chorus from “Woman is Walking” for some reason. I guess this is where they use the experimental technique, lots of odd and discordant effects, doesn’t really work for me personally.
Farewell to Erin: I read recently that Appalachian music originated when settlers arrived from Ireland, Scotland and England, so it’s not such a surprise to hear them singing about Ireland again. Kind of adds an extra dimension to the album for me, I guess. I can’t say I’m mad about the vocal here though, which seems to almost mirror the drone synth, itself at times sounding like badly-tuned bagpipes. Very discordant and therefore not music to my ears. This also happens to be the longest on the album, almost six and a half minutes. Just my luck.
Mother in the Graveyard: Like this one a lot better. Sort of a slow, bouncy banjo with the two ladies harmonising, which is really nice.
Margaret: Starts out with an annoying announcement. Not sure about the point in that, then some crackly recording of an old song with I think the girls adding some of their own musical accompaniment to the old recording. Clever, but perhaps too much so. Doesn’t do anything for me. At least it’s short. Bad end to a decent album.


Conclusion: Certainly don’t hate it, but it’s probably not something I would come back to, and I wouldn’t be searching out any more of their material. There’s nothing necessarily bad about it, but the combination of kind of weird electronic effects, recordings and voices over folk music doesn’t really work for me. Two lovely voices, two very accomplished musicians, but even without the experimental stuff I’d probably still be saying, nice but that’s about it.

So, Love or Hate? I’ll give this a Like. It’s not a strong one though. Whatever that means.

The Batlord 10-29-2019 03:22 PM

I keep having to go back to the OP to figure out what the colors mean cause they're arbitrary.

Trollheart 10-29-2019 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2086452)
I keep having to go back to the OP to figure out what the colors mean cause they're arbitrary.

You're arbitrary. :p:

Frownland 10-29-2019 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2086451)
https://img.discogs.com/NMGY-e2YNAOQ...-7684.jpeg.jpg

Title: The Invisible Comes to Us
Artist: Anna & Elizabeth
Genre: Folk/World/Country
Artist Reaction: Never heard of them so neutral
Genre Reaction: No problems here
Familiarity: Zero
Suggested by: Frownland
A Little Background: Anna Roberts-Gevalt and Elizabeth Laprelle are an American duo who specialise in integrating traditional folk music, Americana and especially Appalachian music with experimental techniques. Anna plays banjo while Elizabeth sings and is a multi-instrumentalist.
Expectations: The word “experimental” always worries me, but I don’t fear too much that I’ll hate this. I’m going for a hopefully pretty strong Like.
Overview: This is their second album, and no, I have no idea what the title means, though it sounds vaguely spiritual or religious.

Jeano: Starts acapella, very haunting, reminds me a little of Suzanne Vega, then deep organ sighs in, and Anna and Elizabeth begin to harmonise, which is very nice indeed. Can’t find much in the way of details on the album but it sounds like maybe horns and some sort of bells being added in, which gives an extra layer to the music. Fading out now on sort of oriental-style chimes. Very nice start.
Black Eyed Susan: Darker and more brooding this time, with heavy, sullen drumbeats and the banjo leading the tune, organ in the background kind of, then that all fades out and we’re left with the vocal, solo this time, and banjo, sort of a distant rolling percussion which also fades out. One of the longer songs on the album, this runs for just over five minutes. Nice sort of stuttering effect, which sounds like someone crumpling up tinfoil or static on the radio. Fits in well.
Ripest of Apples: Led by banjo again this time, a softer vocal with a kind of more upbeat tone that the last two tracks, sort of a country feel to this. Drums get very insistent and powerful here near the end.
Irish Patriot: First time since the opener we hear the two ladies sing together. They should do this more. Another droning organ complementing them, not a carbon copy by any means of “Jeano” but quite close in structure. Some sort of taped speech now, getting a little confused, with a swirling keyboard line and now alto sax, which pulls it back on track.
John of Hazelgreen: And more vocal harmonies, almost acapella but accompanied by soft tripping banjo, and sounds like there might be flute in there too. Nice.
Woman is Walking: Pure acapella as the two girls harmonise. It’s short, so I hope it stays like - no, there’s organ and some small percussion coming in now. Well it’s still really nice; I just would have preferred, for such a short track, them to perform it acapella.
Virginia Rambler: Basically acapella again but just one voice this time, with some sporadic percussion behind her. If I assume that to be Anna singing, then Elizabeth has now joined her, and there’s a droning organ adding its effect too.
By the Shore: Sounds like Waits does folk for a few moments, then the organ slides in (oo-****ing-er!), the vocal fast and sort of echoed in delay (not sure if it’s the same voice, probably not). I’d say this is the first one I haven’t really liked. Reprises the chorus from “Woman is Walking” for some reason. I guess this is where they use the experimental technique, lots of odd and discordant effects, doesn’t really work for me personally.
Farewell to Erin: I read recently that Appalachian music originated when settlers arrived from Ireland, Scotland and England, so it’s not such a surprise to hear them singing about Ireland again. Kind of adds an extra dimension to the album for me, I guess. I can’t say I’m mad about the vocal here though, which seems to almost mirror the drone synth, itself at times sounding like badly-tuned bagpipes. Very discordant and therefore not music to my ears. This also happens to be the longest on the album, almost six and a half minutes. Just my luck.
Mother in the Graveyard: Like this one a lot better. Sort of a slow, bouncy banjo with the two ladies harmonising, which is really nice.
Margaret: Starts out with an annoying announcement. Not sure about the point in that, then some crackly recording of an old song with I think the girls adding some of their own musical accompaniment to the old recording. Clever, but perhaps too much so. Doesn’t do anything for me. At least it’s short. Bad end to a decent album.


Conclusion: Certainly don’t hate it, but it’s probably not something I would come back to, and I wouldn’t be searching out any more of their material. There’s nothing necessarily bad about it, but the combination of kind of weird electronic effects, recordings and voices over folk music doesn’t really work for me. Two lovely voices, two very accomplished musicians, but even without the experimental stuff I’d probably still be saying, nice but that’s about it.

So, Love or Hate? I’ll give this a Like. It’s not a strong one though. Whatever that means.

Nice. It's always a crapshoot so I'm glad I landed on the positive side of things this time. I agree that their harmonizing makes the album.

My next rec is Discipline by King Crimson, doesn't look like you've heard it based on a forum search.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2086452)
I keep having to go back to the OP to figure out what the colors mean cause they're arbitrary.

Same.

Neapolitan 10-29-2019 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2086452)
I keep having to go back to the OP to figure out what the colors mean cause they're arbitrary.

They have a meaning? Does the colours he uses for the songs correlate to the emotional colour index of mood rings?

Trollheart 10-30-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 2086574)
They have a meaning? Does the colours he uses for the songs correlate to the emotional colour index of mood rings?

I have to apologise to you. I just realised you were the first to suggest an album, so you were well within your rights to post your second one. Sorry about that.

Marie Monday 10-30-2019 01:08 PM

Oooh that's my favourite lpd album so far (and not even because it carries my name)

Trollheart 10-30-2019 01:13 PM

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Title: The Woods
Artist: Sleater-Kinney
Genre: Alt-Rock
Artist Reaction: I’ve heard them before. I don’t think I liked them but I don’t think I hated them.
Genre Reaction: Alt-Rock covers such a wide selection. Can be really good, can be really bad. What is “alt” anyway?
Familiarity: Heard one album, possibly for the original of this thread
Suggested by: MarieMarie
A Little Background:Sleater-Kinney are a two-man, or I should say woman, band who have been around since 1994. Seems they went through a pretty major change this year when longtime drummer Janet Weiss left. Perhaps they were a trio before that? I guess Marie can fill everyone in if they need to be told. Sleater-Kinney have been referred to as “the greatest rock band of the last two decades.” I don’t know about that. What I do know is that in the Wiki picture, one of the girls looks spookily like someone I used to work with. This is bad, because she was a right bitch. But anyway...

Expectations: I doubt I’ll hate it, so probably a strong Like or above?
Overview: Their seventh album, this is one on which Weiss was still with the band, and so it’s a three-piece. Pitchfork, Rolling Stone and Village Voice all creamed their pants over it. Make of that what you will. Let’s see what I think.

The Fox: Certainly a riotous opening, very powerful and chaotic, find the vocal kind of Hazel O’Connorish, punkish overtones certainly and the guitars are loud and in your face. Definitely not my thing, at least not on this track. The tremelo in the voice of the singer annoys me, and I have to be honest, I don’t think she sings well, but then, this genre (riot grrrl?) ain’t never been for me. There’s a certain catchiness in the guitar riff, but that’s about it.
Wilderness: A somewhat more restrained guitar, jangly with some nice riffs, still hate the singing. Not my type of vocalist at all, and let’s be honest, I’ve come to appreciate black metal vocalists, so nobody can say I only like one type of singing. I was never a fan of Lene Lovich, Siouxsie or even Toyah, so it’s probably no surprise I don’t like this. Manages to emulate Ann Wilson on odd occasions, but generally not someone I would enjoy listening to. I fear for my sanity when I look at the track listing and see an eleven-minute composition near the end!
What’s Mine is Yours: Choppy guitar, again quite Hazel O’Connor, this time bringing in perhaps elements of The Clash, the mixture of which really doesn’t work for me. Nor does the snarling guitar here. In fact, nothing in this track works for me. Next! If we must. And I fear we must.
Jumpers: This sounds a lot better. Vocal is much clearer and less angry, the guitars busy but not going for the throat (at least not yet). Yeah this is pretty decent.
Modern Girl: And this sounds like it might be continuing this sort of gentler approach, with a jangly, upbeat guitar and a nice enough vocal. Catchy, certainly; sounds like harmonica coming in there, which is always welcome. Heavy percussion now doesn’t ruin but in fact improves it in tandem with the harmonica. Much better.
Entertain: Might be going a little mad again, back to the frenzied attack of the first three tracks. Yeah, the vocal is back to that punkish style, drums are harder and more in your face, though to be fair, though it’s tougher than the last two it’s not as caustic as the openers. I could like this, or at least listen to it.
Rollercoaster: In general, this album seems to have started badly - really badly - but then improved in leaps and bounds, then tailed off slightly. This track continues the latter trend. It’s not bad, a real sharp rocker with a sixties garage punk feeling (no I don’t know what I’m talking about either) but it’s not as good as “Jumpers” or “Modern Girl”, or even “Entertain”. Still, I don’t hate it.
Steep Air: Things actually slowing down? Can it be? Very claustrophobic air to this one, sounds like piano there but none is credited so maybe not. Vocal is very low and almost indistinct, guitars hard and sharp, growling and snapping. No that must be piano. A very decent song.
Let’s Call it Love: This is that eleven-minuter I feared. Although I don’t know the band, they don’t seem the obvious type to write epics - short, sharp stabs in the face seem to me to be more their style than long, prolonged kickings while you lie writhing on the ground - but here we are. Will it be an endurance or a revelation? Well it starts off tough enough, and I find it hard to understand how they’re going to stretch this out for eleven minutes, but let’s see. Yeah, it’s exploded into a real punk/riot grrl rockfest now, not good news for me. Now it’s slowing down on a kind of almost metal beat, marching drums, thumping guitar but you know, it’s not as bad as it could have been. Not quite sure why it needs to be this long though.
Night Light: Great closer. Powerful but not too angry vocal, excellent guitar, catchy hook.


Conclusion: I felt sure, when this started, that it would be an easy Hate. I don’t like hating albums, especially those suggested by other people, but some things just don’t sit well with me. As this went on, however, I warmed to it more, and though I couldn’t honestly say I’d ever listen to another Sleater-Kinney record, it wasn’t nearly as bad as it could have been.

So, Love or Hate? I guess I can say I Like it a little

YorkeDaddy 10-30-2019 03:16 PM

Big Thief - U.F.O.F.

The Batlord 10-30-2019 03:21 PM

Can just one of the returning members not be trash?

YorkeDaddy 10-30-2019 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2086670)
Can just one of the returning members not be trash?

I’m interested in hearing your examples of the not-trash missing members

The Batlord 10-30-2019 03:30 PM

TH, Chula, Tristan, jwb, you. The loser quotient is high even with Tristan but he's more of a neutral than a positive.

Marie Monday 10-30-2019 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2086634)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._The_Woods.jpg
Title: The Woods
Artist: Sleater-Kinney
Genre: Alt-Rock
Artist Reaction: I’ve heard them before. I don’t think I liked them but I don’t think I hated them.
Genre Reaction: Alt-Rock covers such a wide selection. Can be really good, can be really bad. What is “alt” anyway?
Familiarity: Heard one album, possibly for the original of this thread
Suggested by: MarieMarie
A Little Background:Sleater-Kinney are a two-man, or I should say woman, band who have been around since 1994. Seems they went through a pretty major change this year when longtime drummer Janet Weiss left. Perhaps they were a trio before that? I guess Marie can fill everyone in if they need to be told. Sleater-Kinney have been referred to as “the greatest rock band of the last two decades.” I don’t know about that. What I do know is that in the Wiki picture, one of the girls looks spookily like someone I used to work with. This is bad, because she was a right bitch. But anyway...

Expectations: I doubt I’ll hate it, so probably a strong Like or above?
Overview: Their seventh album, this is one on which Weiss was still with the band, and so it’s a three-piece. Pitchfork, Rolling Stone and Village Voice all creamed their pants over it. Make of that what you will. Let’s see what I think.

The Fox: Certainly a riotous opening, very powerful and chaotic, find the vocal kind of Hazel O’Connorish, punkish overtones certainly and the guitars are loud and in your face. Definitely not my thing, at least not on this track. The tremelo in the voice of the singer annoys me, and I have to be honest, I don’t think she sings well, but then, this genre (riot grrrl?) ain’t never been for me. There’s a certain catchiness in the guitar riff, but that’s about it.
Wilderness: A somewhat more restrained guitar, jangly with some nice riffs, still hate the singing. Not my type of vocalist at all, and let’s be honest, I’ve come to appreciate black metal vocalists, so nobody can say I only like one type of singing. I was never a fan of Lene Lovich, Siouxsie or even Toyah, so it’s probably no surprise I don’t like this. Manages to emulate Ann Wilson on odd occasions, but generally not someone I would enjoy listening to. I fear for my sanity when I look at the track listing and see an eleven-minute composition near the end!
What’s Mine is Yours: Choppy guitar, again quite Hazel O’Connor, this time bringing in perhaps elements of The Clash, the mixture of which really doesn’t work for me. Nor does the snarling guitar here. In fact, nothing in this track works for me. Next! If we must. And I fear we must.
Jumpers: This sounds a lot better. Vocal is much clearer and less angry, the guitars busy but not going for the throat (at least not yet). Yeah this is pretty decent.
Modern Girl: And this sounds like it might be continuing this sort of gentler approach, with a jangly, upbeat guitar and a nice enough vocal. Catchy, certainly; sounds like harmonica coming in there, which is always welcome. Heavy percussion now doesn’t ruin but in fact improves it in tandem with the harmonica. Much better.
Entertain: Might be going a little mad again, back to the frenzied attack of the first three tracks. Yeah, the vocal is back to that punkish style, drums are harder and more in your face, though to be fair, though it’s tougher than the last two it’s not as caustic as the openers. I could like this, or at least listen to it.
Rollercoaster: In general, this album seems to have started badly - really badly - but then improved in leaps and bounds, then tailed off slightly. This track continues the latter trend. It’s not bad, a real sharp rocker with a sixties garage punk feeling (no I don’t know what I’m talking about either) but it’s not as good as “Jumpers” or “Modern Girl”, or even “Entertain”. Still, I don’t hate it.
Steep Air: Things actually slowing down? Can it be? Very claustrophobic air to this one, sounds like piano there but none is credited so maybe not. Vocal is very low and almost indistinct, guitars hard and sharp, growling and snapping. No that must be piano. A very decent song.
Let’s Call it Love: This is that eleven-minuter I feared. Although I don’t know the band, they don’t seem the obvious type to write epics - short, sharp stabs in the face seem to me to be more their style than long, prolonged kickings while you lie writhing on the ground - but here we are. Will it be an endurance or a revelation? Well it starts off tough enough, and I find it hard to understand how they’re going to stretch this out for eleven minutes, but let’s see. Yeah, it’s exploded into a real punk/riot grrl rockfest now, not good news for me. Now it’s slowing down on a kind of almost metal beat, marching drums, thumping guitar but you know, it’s not as bad as it could have been. Not quite sure why it needs to be this long though.
Night Light: Great closer. Powerful but not too angry vocal, excellent guitar, catchy hook.


Conclusion: I felt sure, when this started, that it would be an easy Hate. I don’t like hating albums, especially those suggested by other people, but some things just don’t sit well with me. As this went on, however, I warmed to it more, and though I couldn’t honestly say I’d ever listen to another Sleater-Kinney record, it wasn’t nearly as bad as it could have been.

So, Love or Hate? I guess I can say I Like it a little

Cool, you hated it less than I expected. I guess you won't be surprised when I tell you the singing puts many people off, but I love it. And indeed, they started out as a punk band, then expanded their horizons to the point of incorporating hard rock influences on this album.

YorkeDaddy 10-30-2019 03:47 PM

I mean really is there a single human being that’s spent more than 15 minutes on MusicBanter in their life that is not a loser?

The Batlord 10-30-2019 03:54 PM

Urban even if he tried to carry himself like a snarky music writer permanently in-between jobs.

Trollheart 10-30-2019 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 2086668)
Big Thief - U.F.O.F.

Yo! Welcome back Yorke! :thumb:
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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2086670)
Can just one of the returning members not be trash?

We're all trash.
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Originally Posted by MarieMarie (Post 2086678)
Cool, you hated it less than I expected. I guess you won't be surprised when I tell you the singing puts many people off, but I love it. And indeed, they started out as a punk band, then expanded their horizons to the point of incorporating hard rock influences on this album.

Yeah, I had hoped to be able to like it, as it was your first selection but hey, sometimes it just isn't to be. At least I didn't hate it. Better luck next time. ;)
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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 2086679)
I mean really is there a single human being that’s spent more than 15 minutes on MusicBanter in their life that is not a loser?

No. No there is not. You got any new music, man?

YorkeDaddy 10-30-2019 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2086695)
Yo! Welcome back Yorke! :thumb:
You got any new music, man?

Good to see you around as well

I haven’t made anything since 2016, with nothing new planned in the near future. Too much going on to focus on it. I hardly have the time to even listen to music nowadays, though I adore the album I rec’d you here and hope you do too!

Tristan_Geoff 10-30-2019 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2086673)
TH, Chula, Tristan, jwb, you. The loser quotient is high even with Tristan but he's more of a neutral than a positive.

Thanks I agree

Neapolitan 10-30-2019 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2086169)
Ok, here we go. For comparison here are the two previous reviews I made of this album. This will be the last.

https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...ml#post1333904

https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...ml#post1773637

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Title: Trout Mask Replica
Artist: Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band
Genre: Experimental Rock/Art Rock/Avant-Garde/Blues/Free Jazz
Artist Reaction: Ah crap! I really don’t like Beefheart! :(
Genre Reaction: Anything with “experimental” or “avant-garde” in it is bad enough for me. Add in “jazz” and then prefix that with “free” and you have a recipe for disaster!
Familiarity: I’ve listened to this album twice, and heard one or two more of the Captain’s releases
Suggested by: Who else but Frownland? Actually, it was Neapolitan. No Christmas card for you, son!
A Little Background: Captain Beefheart is credited with revolutionising music as an art form, particularly prominent in the areas of jazz, avant-garde music, experimental rock and even progressive rock. Real name Don Van Vliet, all indications are that he was a mercurial character, perhaps sometimes as genius is allowed to be. He was a big influence on one of my heroes, Tom Waits, but that doesn’t mean I have to like him.
Expectations: I’ve heard this album twice already. The first time I hated it, the second I hated it less. This third time, I doubt I’ll love it but maybe it’ll click slightly better with me. Frownland believes you need to listen to this about forty times before you’ll “get it”. Sorry man, ain’t gonna happen!
Overview: A double album with some very weird titles, and some even weirder tracks themselves, it runs the gamut of everything from straight-ahead blues and jazz to freak-out fests, spoken word pieces and some things that just aren’t categorisable. Nearly every musician cites the album and its influence on them. That still doesn’t mean I have to like it.

God-damn it but that’s annoying! I forgot that of all the Beefheart albums, it’s the only one NOT on Spotify! So now I have to listen to a YouTube of it, and hope I can track where one song changes to the next. Well, I’ll do my best I guess!

Frownland: Always felt this was very disjointed, guitars seem to be working independently of each other. Probably wrong of course. First time I heard this I moaned that he was copying Waits. Oh, foolish me! To be fair, it’s not the worst but it’s a real jolt for a first track. Not exactly easing you into it then!
The Dust Blows Forward ‘n the Dust Blows Back: Seems to be sung acapella, a kind of folk song idea to it. Without the music, chaotic as it seems to me, this isn’t half bad at all.
Dachau Blues: Music’s back, but again this is not too bad. The vocal is relatively restrained for the Captain, and I guess in ways I just always think of him as Waits singing. Could do without the mad horns though. Can always do without mad horns. I really hate (what I’ve heard of) free jazz.
Ella Guru: Music sounds a little more cohesive to me here. Singing is ok. Again with the mad horns!
Hair Pie Bake 1: Now this I really hated first time I heard it, and the second time, but damn me if the third time isn’t the charm. It isn’t. I still hate it. A lot of silly sounds made on saxophones, flutes, harmonicas or who the hell knows what? Free jazz my ass. Too damn long for what it is. Guitar comes in later and makes it less bad, but I still hate it. Oh, and some talking at the end. Wonderful.
Moonlight on Vermont: At least this is catchy with the Captain in full flight. Quite rocky for what it is, can hear where Waits would get the likes of “Gun Street Girl” and “Sixteen Shells from a Thirty-Ought Six” from.
Pachuco Cadaver: spoken introduction then the guitar takes it in a kind of boogie blues run, again pretty catchy really. One of the guitars in the background seems to be keeping up a sort of heavy metal/hard rock riff that sort of reminds me of… Rush maybe? And there are the mad horns. Sigh.
Bill’s Corpse: Pretty off-the-wall (you don’t say!) with a choppy guitar line and a sort of sarcastic vocal from the Captain.
Sweet Sweet Bulbs: Kind of slid on into this track without me noticing. Same kind of thing I guess. This is why I hate listening on YouTube, especially to something like this where tracks tend to segue together sometimes.
Neon Meate Dream of a Octafish: Totally weird title, but what else is new? The Captain seems to talk the lyric rather than sing it - another thing Waits would rip off from him - and it sounds like there’s someone going mad on an organ in the music somewhere. The lyric is almost declaimed, as if he’s reading it off a cue card. Intentional, no doubt. Very weird. With an extra slice of weird on the side, and weird for dessert.
China Pig: Sounds like a blues run here, sort of acoustic like Delta Blues maybe? Decent vocal, not too harsh. Not bad, this.
My Human Gets Me Blues: This is more uptempo, with the vocal a little harsher.
Dali’s Car: A decent instrumental that echoes later “Dave the Butcher”. Harsh, metallic guitar kind of fighting with another, more strummed guitar. Instrumental, by the way. And short. Think some band ended up taking this as their name.
Hair Pie 2: And another instrumental. Any better than “Hair Pie 1”? Not really. It’s all right I guess, nothing terrible.
Pena: This is just talking, so far as I can see. Mostly the same words said over and over. Oh now there’s some jangly guitar coming in. Is that a female voice? Very annoying, with a capital A.
Well: Another acapella folk song. Sort of gospel overtones. This isn’t bad.
When Big Joan Sets Up: More free jazz horns. Man, I hate free jazz horns.
Fallin’ Ditch: Has another spoken intro, then it’s a growled, scratchy vocal and a - **** it, I don’t know what. I just know I don’t like it.
Sugar’n’Spikes: This one has a decent rhythm about it, like the guitar.
Ant Man Bee: This one is okay, bouncy and jumpy. Not mad about it but I don’t hate it. Much.
Orange Claw Hammer: Hey, at least they’re all short from here to the end! Another acapella folk-style tune. Not bad to be fair.
Wild Life: Crazy guitars in this. Why do I keep saying these things? Cos it’s hard to describe this music really and I want to prove I am actually listening to the damn thing. I am. Honest! No me gusta. Ay yi yi! Los hornes del diablo! Madre de dios! Etc.
She’s Too Much for My Mirror: More talking. Sigh. This gets real old real quick. Song’s pretty decent though.
Hobo Chang Ba: Say what? It’s all right I guess, but that’s about all I’ve been able to say about any track here. Nothing has resonated with me and I guess I’m trying to be polite and as positive as I can be. Whether I’m succeeding is another thing.
The Blimp (mousetrapreplica): mechanised voice on this always annoyed me. It’s like listening to Mister Magoo or something. Shut the hell up, I know it’s the goddamn blimp! You’ve said it enough times. **** off, and take your damn horns with ya!
Steal Softly thru Snow: I seem to remember the album ended well. Am I wrong? Probably. I had the idea that this was some sort of slower song. It ain’t. I don’t know where I got that idea. It’s not too bad though and I kind of like the jazzy guitar in it.
Old Fart at Play: Another spoken vocal line, decent jangly guitar. Meh.
Veteran’s Day Poppy: Good bluesy-ish guitar then it’s more kind of sixties jangle pop or some damn thing.

Conclusion: Third time lucky? Not quite. It’s probably a slightly better result than the last time, but while I can recognise the accepted importance of this album and its place in music history, its influence and all that, it’s never going to be for me. The only time I’m ever going to be listening to this is for scientific reasons, ie research or requested review. I’m never going to listen to it for pleasure, cos it don’t give me none. That’s just me, of course. Many of you love it, and fair play to you, but it ain’t in my wheelhouse, and never will be. If we meet on the street I may tip my hat and grunt politely as we pass each other, but we ain’t never gonna be friends.

So, Love or Hate? With all the magenta I suppose it has to be a Like a Little, but I can’t imagine there’s enough there for me to ever want to listen to this again.

Wow that review was fast and bulbous. You did a half dozen reviews since then before I figure out what to say in response. My album didn't receive high praise, but I like to think that I turned you away from abject hatred of it to Like a Little. And I am plum delighted my album pick received that special and beautiful color. I like you to think of this album as a special and magical gift of music from Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band to you. Maybe someday you'll understand all I did was pass that magic from my hands to yours.

https://media.tenor.com/images/ed246...5e1a/tenor.gif

The Batlord 10-31-2019 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 2086772)
Wow that review was fast and bulbous. You did a half dozen reviews since then before I figure out what to say in response. My album didn't receive high praise, but I like to think that I turned you away from abject hatred of it to Like a Little. And I am plum delighted my album pick received that special and beautiful color. I like you to think of this album as a special and magical gift of music from Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band to you. Maybe someday you'll understand all I did was pass that magic from my hands to yours.

https://media.tenor.com/images/ed246...5e1a/tenor.gif

Gay.

Neapolitan 10-31-2019 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2086842)
Gay.

Your response was fast and bulbous, but I'll rate that comment a "Lemon Chiffon." (Please see Trollheart's color code rating system in the OP.)

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2086777)
Hair Pie Bake rules just have to say it's super

I like how Hair Pie: Bake 1 opens up like how Eisbaer ends. Some of the guitar riffs near the end of HP:B1 reminds me of Deerhoof (more like vice versa). I have the album entertainment! next. There are times Hugo's drumming reminds me of Drumbo's.

The Batlord 10-31-2019 02:18 PM

Bro I just realized TH is using proper capitalization for album titles now. Crazy.

Neapolitan 10-31-2019 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2086980)
Bro I just realized TH is using proper capitalization for album titles now. Crazy.

I "Sandy Brown" his use of proper capitalization.

Trollheart 11-01-2019 08:29 PM

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Title: New Mexico
Artist: The Oppenheimer Analysis
Genre: Electronic/Dance/Synthpop
Artist Reaction: Shrug; never heard of them
Genre Reaction: Dance I’m not crazy about, synthpop mostly I can enjoy
Familiarity: Zero
Suggested by: Batty
A Little Background: Can’t really find anything about the artist, but it appears to be two guys from the UK. Hopefully this is the right album, as it’s under the name Andie Oppenheimer, though it is called New Mexico and I doubt two bands have the same album with the surname of the father of the atomic bomb in them!
Expectations: Don’t know; hoping for at least a Like
Overview: Can’t tell you much, other than they seem to have had only two albums, of which this is the second, the first released all the way back in 1982. That’s a long time between albums.

Okay well according to Discogs the way Spotify has the tracks listed is wrong, but as it’s easier I’m going to go with Spotify’s version. Don’t suppose it makes too much difference. In which case we begin with

The Devil’s Dancers: Has a very eighties new-wave feel, don’t particularly like the voice of the singer, bit moany, sort of reminds me of Martin Gore. Maybe. Very synth-led of course, with the drum machine going and making it all sound very, I don’t know, plastic? Manufactured? My favourite word for this kind of music: soulless.
Radiance: Slower track, but not too much different from the opener (as Spotify has it); quite depressing really. I do like my synthpop but I prefer it to be more upbeat in tone than this. Also reminds me now of Numan when I’d prefer OMD sort of thing. Bored with this.
Martyr: At least this has a bit more life in it. Still don’t like the singer but this is a lot better.
Cold War: Keeping this moving. I can take this sort of dancy electronica better than the kind of coldwave (?) of the previous two tracks. This isn’t bad. But god that bored vocal! Like a cross between Gore and Tennant, a match for me made in Hell. Yuck.
Don’t Be Seen With Me: This has something about it. Like the rippling synth line, the hollow drums and the basic rhythm of the song. Even the vocal is not bad this time around. Best song so far (though that’s not saying much). This actually opens the album, according to Discogs, and if I had heard this first maybe I might have had a different slant on the album.
Modern Wonder: Then it goes right back to the bored, listless vocal. You know, at times I think he’s not even singing in tune. Ah, what do I know? I know I don’t like his voice on about eighty percent of these tracks, that’s for sure.
Subterranean Desire: There’s a certain something about this track. I can’t say I like it particularly, but I dislike it less than most of the others. Man, if that’s close to the best I can say about this album we done got us a problem!
Scorpions: There’s a nice kind of synth motif running through this. It’s quite Depeche Mode but with a sort of Cars feel in places too. Not bad.
New Mexico: This is a real dronefest though. Very boring. And way too ****ing long. “The land of enchantment”? The land of tedium more like! You know, I’m changing that black to red. **** this. It’s just the same ****ing thing over and over and over again. Why does this have to be nearly eight minutes long? Shut the **** up!
Behind the Shades: Another decent rippling keyboard riff; I think anything would be better after the ****fest of the title track, but to be honest this isn’t that great. Sort of a brassy thing going on too, which is a little interesting but overall it’s dreary and boring. Yawn.
Men in White Coats: Worrying that these guys are going to show up and drag me off at this point. Almost wish they would. This is really terrible. The album I mean. This track does at least have a bit of energy about it, and again the vocal has some personality in it, one of the few times I hear it. Could be decent, give it a chance. Yeah, I can get into this, which puts it very firmly in the minority.
You Won’t Forget Me: This one is okay too, quite good in fact. Snatches of AOR-ish keyswork in there, vocal has some emotion, more of that Cars feel about it. Upbeat and bouncy. Better. Almost sounded like some guitar there!
Science: More downbeat but an uptempo track, not half bad.
Under Surveillance: Says original mix so I assume this is from the other album, the one released in 1982? Well how weird! Looking at that album I see it’s basically the very same track listing, with one or two other tracks. What the blue living -? So I don’t know where this comes from but it’s quite good actually, very uptempo and catchy. One of the better ones.
Fellow Traveller: This time it says “guitar version”, but where the original version is I don’t know. And now I see Spotify has two versions of the album, the second one of which, the one I didn’t see, is the correct track listing that ties in with the Discogs one. Oh well. Looks like I only missed out one track, “Security Risk”, but took in two, no three others in its place. This runs on acoustic guitar, which is a nice change (clue is in the name, Trollheart) and it’s pretty good.


Conclusion: I was pretty convinced I was going to hate this, or at least dislike it as the album went on, but though I do dislike a lot of it, there are a few tracks that I did like and so I can’t really rate it too low. It certainly improved towards the end, making a strong showing and if more of the album had been like the last three tracks or so I would have likely rated it higher.

So, Love or Hate? As it is, I can just about stretch to Like it a little.

Note: I’ve had some comments that people are getting confused by my colour-coding, so in future I will be adding a reminder at the end of each review. Everyone happy now?

True Love
Love
Really Like
Like a Little
Meh
Dislike
Really Dislike
Hate

Neapolitan 11-01-2019 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2087266)

Note: I’ve had some comments that people are getting confused by my colour-coding, so in future I will be adding a reminder at the end of each review. Everyone happy now?

True Love
Love
Really Like
Like a Little
>Meh
Dislike
>Really Dislike
Hate

I'm somewhat unsure if this is worth bringing to your attention, since you already established your color system, and maybe it's too late for a change. However I thought I'd let you know I have a hard time differentiating between what's "White" with "LemonChiffon." Maybe it's an optical illusion due to the light color background MB has, but I really can't see the difference. I'm not knocking your color system, it does serve a purpose.

Trollheart 11-02-2019 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 2087275)
I'm somewhat unsure if this is worth bringing to your attention, since you already established your color system, and maybe it's too late for a change. However I thought I'd let you know I have a hard time differentiating between what's "White" with "LemonChiffon." Maybe it's an optical illusion due to the light color background MB has, but I really can't see the difference. I'm not knocking your color system, it does serve a purpose.

Believe me I understand. There are so few colours to choose from and I wanted to try not to use variants of any, and I tried also to use ones that would be visible against our blue background. This makes lighter shades of blue unworkable, I see what you mean about white so I'l look into what else I can use. Any suggestions? What about this in place of lemon?

Plankton 11-02-2019 06:59 AM

If you use the color spectrum and their gamma's, it makes more sense.

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True Love
Love
Really Like
Like a Little
Meh
Dislike
Really Dislike
Hate

https://i.imgur.com/wKl66KE.jpg

Plus, that cyan can really mess with Neo's head.

Marie Monday 11-02-2019 07:12 AM

gamma's? Splendid idea though

Plankton 11-02-2019 07:16 AM

I'm not sure what the heck that is either, it just sounds cool.

Marie Monday 11-02-2019 08:07 AM

Lol

Plankton 11-02-2019 08:30 AM

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I just realized Trollheart can't quote that and copy/paste it if he wants to use it, so here's a quotable copy/paste ready to go.

True Love
Love
Really Like
Like a Little
Meh
Dislike
Really Dislike
Hate

The Batlord 11-02-2019 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2087266)
Note: I’ve had some comments that people are getting confused by my colour-coding, so in future I will be adding a reminder at the end of each review. Everyone happy now?

True Love
Love
Really Like
Like a Little
>Meh
Dislike
>Really Dislike
Hate

What the **** those are the same god damn colors?!


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