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Old 04-20-2021, 05:09 AM   #11 (permalink)
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still nobody can name more than 2 Prince songs

it's the Bob Marley effect
Sorry but that's just moronic.
Everyone knows Purple Rain, Little Red Corvette, 1999, When Doves Cry, Take Me With U, Raspberry Beret, Sign o' the Times.... to say nothing of the songs he's written for other people which became hits - Nothing Compares to U, Manic Monday etc.

Fine if you don't like him but don't try to espouse your dislike of his music in ignorance. He's a well respected artist - a legend actually - and just because he didn't support The Fall doesn't mean nobody listens to him. Your prejudice is showing.

I'll guarantee you one thing: the average Eddie Punchclock can list off more Prince songs than he can Fall ones.
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Old 04-20-2021, 05:22 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I knew "Purple Rain" and "1999". My generation never bothered with Prince.
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Old 04-20-2021, 08:12 AM   #13 (permalink)
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still nobody can name more than 2 Prince songs

it's the Bob Marley effect
If you're on these boards and can only name 2 songs from either artist, I'd wonder what you're doing here.

Prince is great, IMO. But he suffers from a few things.

1. He was so ubiquitous that you can almost tell it's a Prince song by listening, even if he didn't record it. Manic Monday sounds like Prince. Nothing Compares 2 U sounds like Prince.

2. The name/sound change was a bad time. I blame WB because they went in and messes up a hot streak.

3. When I listen to Prince now, I definitely think he's a product of his era. Funk isn't a genre with substantial appeal. And some of the new arrangements of his older stuff are much better (Check the Prince thread). Songs like Housequake were innovative for their time. But innovation gets old fast. And since the emphasis was on revolutionary stuff, it doesn't hold up.

Even the lyrics on thins like "Sign o' the Times" where he sings "In France, a skinny man died of a big disease with a little name." - That was understood during the AIDS epidemic. No one inherently knows what it means now. I still love that song, but it's clearly dated.

His newer stuff vacillates between jazz masturbation and electronic boringness. I grew up in the 90s and everyone seemed to think "Electronic music is the music of the future." What they didn't tell us is that if a computer makes some new sound, everyone will just go back to the origins of songcraft and write "Mary had a little lamb" - esque melodies. And you can see that on things like "Black Sweat." A good song, but is it something that sounds like either:

A. Prince
B. Anything novel?

No. It sounds a bit generic. Here, you decide.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-e00c6uT0

And yeah, I'm aware I'm hitting for not being inventive after I said he was too inventive. It's clear to me what the distinction is, so if that doesn't make sense, feel free to push back.

But the sexy/funky/edgy schtick lost its appeal quick once everyone was doing it, the culture decided to get depressed with Grunge, and the Right was losing the culture war. Writing "Darling Nikki" in 1983 when The Moral Majority gave you free press was easy. When you Cream the Clinton Administration could say "it's interesting" with a wink and people didn't freak out, that's harder.

To add a bit more to the innovation thing, when Prince isn't innovating, that is, when he's playing a stripped-down version of his songs and you can see the bones of them, you can see he's amazing. "I could never take the place of your man" on the album, I think, sucks. When he played it Acoustically, on Musicology, I was like "JFC this is a jam."

He gets in his own way a lot.

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He mentioned it in the OP, if you have took the time to read it you would have known it was "When Doves Cry." :roll eyes: CC heard that one song and it was ample enough material for him to dismiss Prince as "quite bland and mediocre." Yeah, it's one song but sometimes you gotta make a command decision base on what you know and decide whether or not to further explore that particular musical artist. No harm, no foul in doing that.
Well since you read it, why don't you answer. Is Doves Cry the only song he's heard?
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I enjoy Prince way more than I enjoy Prince music. That dude was a character.
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Old 04-20-2021, 10:12 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Funk isn't a genre with substantial appeal.
Sly Stone did it so much better "There's a Riot Going On" is one of the greatest albums of all time and still holds up as forward thinking...and scored the eternal hit with "A Family Affair"

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the weirdest thing about this is that electronic music had been around for 30 years by that point, all a computer really does is streamline the process so you don't need a crazy expensive studio...hardly an obstacle for Prince in the first place

def one of the things I realized after listening to so much synthesizer stuff, people figured how to do everything we do digitally now with analog machines
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def one of the things I realized after listening to so much synthesizer stuff, people figured how to do everything we do digitally now with analog machines
Right but the transfer there wasn't sound, it was skill, no? In order to make those sounds in the '80s, you needed to know how to play the piano. Now you don't, is how I see it.

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the weirdest thing about this is that electronic music had been around for 30 years by that point, all a computer really does is streamline the process so you don't need a crazy expensive studio...hardly an obstacle for Prince in the first place
People on the cutting edge of new music knew about it, but I don't think it was mainstream. Based on the direction they tried to take it (NIN, chinese democracy, anything in the Nu-metal covers New Wave genre) it seems like they meant "rock will be electronic-infused" not necessarily "everyone will be listening to House music."
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Yes but let's be fair here. People would - and have done - kick the **** out of me verbally if I said "what's the appeal with [insert artist here]"? they asked me how many songs I had heard and I said one. Come on. You can't form an opinion based on one frigging song. Especially not with Prince, who had such a variety in his music. That kind of opinion isn't qualified. OP might not like WDC but might love SOTT. Got to give the guy a chance. If you hate four out of four tracks, fine, you're probably not going to be a fan. But one song???
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not necessarily, a lot of it is in the programming and the twisting of dials and studio wizardry afaik
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I'm just sad we never got a Prince/Fall collaboration song.

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not necessarily, a lot of it is in the programming and the twisting of dials and studio wizardry afaik
Yeah but you're discounting the knowledge something like that takes. When I was in high school our editing studio finally got digital editing software and the information it required (this was like 2000) to use it was not trivial.

More people can create the same thing with less, today.
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