What went wrong with so many artists/bands from the 60s and 70s throughout the 1980s?

SlyStone63 · 08-27-2021, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Terrapin_Station

I don't really agree with the premise aside from the fact that a lot of fans have issues with the stuff those artists put out in the 1980s. And the problem there, in my opinion, was simply that the new material was different and reflected popular trends. A lot of older fans don't want that. They want more of the same more or less.

Most of those artists were quite successful in the 80s, and personally I like the 80s music they put out. I tend to prefer when artists evolve rather than just giving me more of the same.

Joni Mitchell, Aretha Franklin, Donna Summer, Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, Bob Dylan weren't quite successful.

Trollheart · 08-27-2021, 08:07 PM

Whereas you like to ignore facts it would appear. Whether I know much about the artists or not (which I admitted I did not) Wiki does, and I quoted you extracts that completely disprove your allegations. It's a real shame when facts get in the way of your personal bias innit?

YOU might not THINK the music of these artists was up to scratch, but commercially it was. Elton may have had major hits in the seventies but he was still having them in the eighties. All your post has done is taken what I said (quoted) and said "yeah but in the seventies they did this." I'm not denying that. You're the one who's claiming these artists all "fell off" as you like to put it in the 80s. I've shown you that's a false premise. I've demonstrated it by pulling articles to show you what people who know about it say. You could say someone like I don't know maybe Donovan fell off in the 80s, or Cat Stevens, and I wouldn't argue. Virtually nothing has been heard of them since. But the artists you chose, nah, you're just wrong, man, and you need to revisit that idea. Everyone here is quite aware that you hate anything after 1980 - almost every thread you make has that bias - but that doesn't mean you can change the facts. Sorry.

SlyStone63 · 08-27-2021, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Whereas you like to ignore facts it would appear. Whether I know much about the artists or not (which I admitted I did not) Wiki does, and I quoted you extracts that completely disprove your allegations. It's a real shame when facts get in the way of your personal bias innit?

YOU might not THINK the music of these artists was up to scratch, but commercially it was. Elton may have had major hits in the seventies but he was still having them in the eighties. All your post has done is taken what I said (quoted) and said "yeah but in the seventies they did this." I'm not denying that. You're the one who's claiming these artists all "fell off" as you like to put it in the 80s. I've shown you that's a false premise. I've demonstrated it by pulling articles to show you what people who know about it say. You could say someone like I don't know maybe Donovan fell off in the 80s, or Cat Stevens, and I wouldn't argue. Virtually nothing has been heard of them since. But the artists you chose, nah, you're just wrong, man, and you need to revisit that idea. Everyone here is quite aware that you hate anything after 1980 - almost every thread you make has that bias - but that doesn't mean you can change the facts. Sorry.

Oh lord, how wrong could you be, you never once showed any "false" premise at all regarding the acts I picked such as Donna Summer, Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, Barbra, Joni Mitchell, EWF, Bob Dylan, Aretha Franklin etc, in fact you already admitted that you didn't know much about them at all which makes your post laughable to begin with... I posted their biggest success and mentioned the that if you do a comparison to the 80s and then you will realise they fell off pretty damn badly which is the truth. Commercially... I didn't ignore your so called facts, you hardly post any, you're badly informed...

There's no "bias" at all about this because you can easily research this yourself but is clearly obvious you didn't and instead you still want to play the "I know it all" gimmick which is not working out for you, also where did you get this idea that I "hate" anything post 1980? I never once said this, I love 80s music a lot, someone is accusing me of lying it seems, shame.

But anyways, you can't change what happened son... "Sorry."

Terrapin_Station · 08-28-2021, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jadis

While I'm capable of grasping the idea of an artist who goes in new directions I'm not necessarily thrilled with but respect them anyway, I am also very sympathetic to Bowie fans who failed to appreciate his evolution from someone who kept reinventing himself by releasing brilliant records every year to someone who's stuck in a rut, doing the same commercial gunk as everyone else on MTV.

Scary Monsters didn't sound like Low, which didn't sound like Station to Station, which didn't sound like Diamond Dogs, which didn't sound like Hunky Dory. The problem with his Phil Collins years is that it's the opposite of that.

At most you could say that three albums were in a similar style, but it's not as if every single Bowie album prior to the 80s was in a completely different style.

Terrapin_Station · 08-28-2021, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jadis

Yeah, the problem Bowie's and Stevie Wonder's fans had with their 80s work was that their heroes had "evolved". That their work was too new, too diverse and adventurous. Definitely not that it was 80s dross.

"Evolve" doesn't imply "adventurous" and it doesn't imply "progress," which is a subjective evaluation anyway.

It just implies difference from what came before, especially where the difference is in response to environmental factors.

At any rate, people can just say that they don't like popular 80s musical trends if they don't. Some people like those trends, at least to some extent. And a lot of the artists mentioned were certainly successful in terms of sales, charts, MTV play, etc.

rubber soul · 08-28-2021, 07:02 AM

To jump into the Sly-Troll fray a little:

Actually Aerosmith, thanks to the jumpstart by Run-DMC, ended up with a string of hits from the late eighties into the nineties and, commercially at least, may have been even more successful then than they were in the seventies.

As for the others, I tend to lean more towards the creative side than the commercial side. Bowie probably had his biggest commercial success in the eighties; I remember Lets Dance being huge in its day. But critically, well, he wasn't exactly Ziggy Stardust, was he? Again, he would get back on track and would enhance his legend.

I have to admit I haven't heard much from Joni Mitchell past the seventies either and she was one of the decade's best songwriters. She's still out there though. Maybe it's all just about getting older and having new interests (Paul Simon did some of his best work in the eighties) or maybe just wanted to make more money or simply wanted to retire, who knows?

Terrapin_Station · 08-28-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

As for the others, I tend to lean more towards the creative side than the commercial side.

Not that I see them as separated, but I like both. I like lots of very experimental, avant-garde stuff, and I like lots of very commercial pop stuff. And then of course I like all sorts of things in between. I just like the vast majority of music period.

Trollheart · 08-28-2021, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

To jump into the Sly-Troll fray a little:

Actually Aerosmith, thanks to the jumpstart by Run-DMC, ended up with a string of hits from the late eighties into the nineties and, commercially at least, may have been even more successful then than they were in the seventies.

As for the others, I tend to lean more towards the creative side than the commercial side. Bowie probably had his biggest commercial success in the eighties; I remember Lets Dance being huge in its day. But critically, well, he wasn't exactly Ziggy Stardust, was he? Again, he would get back on track and would enhance his legend.

I have to admit I haven't heard much from Joni Mitchell past the seventies either and she was one of the decade's best songwriters. She's still out there though. Maybe it's all just about getting older and having new interests (Paul Simon did some of his best work in the eighties) or maybe just wanted to make more money or simply wanted to retire, who knows?

This troll is not sly.

PS OP, I have no idea what you mean by EWF comment? Maybe you're confusing it with my NLF one: Nothing Lasts Forever. As for being unable to change what's happened, hell son, I gave you the facts as they were written. You don't want to accept them, that's up to you. But you can't make it be the way you want it to be, when it's another way entirely.

Anyhoo, I got work to do so have fun dumping on everything from 1980 on. Doesn't bother me, but pretending something was one way when it wasn't kind of does.

Edit: Oh wait I get it. EWF. Earth Wind and Fire. Right. Well, I'm not sure I said anything there that wasn't true.

Edit edit: so basically the answer to your question in the OP, OP, is nothing. Some artists got older, some fell out of favour with the public (seen as old/uncool/so over/unhip/add eighties phrase of your choice here), some tried to go new directions, with varying results. Some perhaps had their money made and just turned out albums to fulfil contractual obligations. And again, as I said, NLF. And it doesn't. So there's no big mystery here. People's tastes change, both those of artists and of fans, and sometimes they diverge. It has happened in every decade and surely will continue to happen.

Just popped back from 2029 where the buzz is "Why did Taylor Swift lose it after 2020?" See?

SlyStone63 · 08-29-2021, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

This troll is not sly.

PS OP, I have no idea what you mean by EWF comment? Maybe you're confusing it with my NLF one: Nothing Lasts Forever. As for being unable to change what's happened, hell son, I gave you the facts as they were written. You don't want to accept them, that's up to you. But you can't make it be the way you want it to be, when it's another way entirely.

Anyhoo, I got work to do so have fun dumping on everything from 1980 on. Doesn't bother me, but pretending something was one way when it wasn't kind of does.

Edit: Oh wait I get it. EWF. Earth Wind and Fire. Right. Well, I'm not sure I said anything there that wasn't true.

Edit edit: so basically the answer to your question in the OP, OP, is nothing. Some artists got older, some fell out of favour with the public (seen as old/uncool/so over/unhip/add eighties phrase of your choice here), some tried to go new directions, with varying results. Some perhaps had their money made and just turned out albums to fulfil contractual obligations. And again, as I said, NLF. And it doesn't. So there's no big mystery here. People's tastes change, both those of artists and of fans, and sometimes they diverge. It has happened in every decade and surely will continue to happen.

Just popped back from 2029 where the buzz is "Why did Taylor Swift lose it after 2020?" See?

Lol, your name suits you very well, I seriously don't understand why you're making lies up about me hating on 80s music when I've never once bashed that decade but hey, I suppose that's what happens when someone has proven you wrong and then you lose the plot... Can't have it both ways.

Sorry young'un, you didn't present any facts at all because you already admitted that you didn't know much about half of the acts I mentioned and now your post is filled with assumptions...

Mucha na Dziko · 08-29-2021, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SlyStone63

What went wrong with so many artists/bands that had huge success commercially and critically throughout the 60s and 70s once the music world entered into the 1980s? Commercially or critically they fell off badly in the 80s.

That's just what the 80s do to people I guess

photo: Bob Dylan playing Blowin' In The Wind live in 1986

08-27-2021, 08:07 PM	#62 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,971	Whereas you like to ignore facts it would appear. Whether I know much about the artists or not (which I admitted I did not) Wiki does, and I quoted you extracts that completely disprove your allegations. It's a real shame when facts get in the way of your personal bias innit? YOU might not THINK the music of these artists was up to scratch, but commercially it was. Elton may have had major hits in the seventies but he was still having them in the eighties. All your post has done is taken what I said (quoted) and said "yeah but in the seventies they did this." I'm not denying that. You're the one who's claiming these artists all "fell off" as you like to put it in the 80s. I've shown you that's a false premise. I've demonstrated it by pulling articles to show you what people who know about it say. You could say someone like I don't know maybe Donovan fell off in the 80s, or Cat Stevens, and I wouldn't argue. Virtually nothing has been heard of them since. But the artists you chose, nah, you're just wrong, man, and you need to revisit that idea. Everyone here is quite aware that you hate anything after 1980 - almost every thread you make has that bias - but that doesn't mean you can change the facts. Sorry. __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018