Trollheart

Yeah, if I want to hear a 12-minute song about East End gangsters fighting, I sure don't want it from Genesis. And they can stick the instrumental that follows it, too. That's half the damn second side.

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Queen Boo

I didn't know what to make of Battle of Epping Forest at first but it grows one me every single time I listen to it, it's kinda like if every part of Supper's Ready was as goofy as the Willow's Farm section, it's just too bonkers for me to not get a kick out of it, it's "pleb filter" as the kids these days like to say.

I like After the Ordeal too, it probably is my least favorite track on the album but as an interlude (or "breather track" as I like to call them) it does it's job splendidly.

I agree that side A is stronger overall but side B has The Cinema Show which is my favorite Genesis song bar none.

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Trollheart

Without those two I would rate SEBTP much higher. Side one has no filler. At all. Side two has, as you say, "Cinema Show" and I even like "Aisle of Plenty" with its clever wordplay and link back to the opener, but no, "Epping Forest" will never grow on me (pun not intended!) and "After the Ordeal" is both so apt a title and also inextricably linked to it that I can't like it.

Then again, remember, I'm the guy who doesn't rate Close to the Edge!!!!!!!

But I know my Genesis, and this for me was their nadir (not the album, the track) before, say, "Ballad of Big", which I also hate, and then of course we have Abacab coming on the scene like the Grim Reaper bringing the slow death, slight recovery, good recovery, last gasp, and final ignominious passing of one of the greatest prog rock bands on Earth.

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Lisnaholic

I always skip Epping Forest when I can, but I'm ok with After The Ordeal.
I like this notion of a breather track between the full-band intensity of their longer songs, though I would've chopped a bit off from the medieval-ish start of Ordeal.. It's kind of irritatingly delicate to me.

Rather in the way that people reduce the White Album to a more satisfying single album, I wish Genesis had recorded Selling Foxtrots By The Pound:-


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Trollheart

Clearly, but still my own. I'm just no fan of 70s Yes. I've listened to some of those albums - Tales from Tedious Oceans, Relaxer, Tomato, Going For Just One - and I just cannot get into them. The one word that comes to me every time I play 70s Yes is - and yes, I understand this is a sort of oxymoron, coming from a proghead - boring. I like Yes on 90125, Big Generator, Union, ABWH, but nothing before that. No, not even Dramatics.

Sorry, Jon

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The Batlord

Banned from punk.

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Lisnaholic

That's unusual: we both like Yes, but don't seem to have a single album in common. My faves, in approx order are Fragile, Time And A Word, "Tedious Oceans" (), Close To The Edge, The Yes Album . Can't really give an opinion on the albums you like because after the disappointing Relayer I gave up on Yes completely, in favour of a far more modest style of music: Neil Young, John Fahey and stuff like that. Yes had exhausted my appetite for prog music.

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rubber soul

Then you must come over to the dark side...

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Lisnaholic

^ Haha! Yes, I remember that song, and how many of my friends enthused about it, and later, about Lizard and Larks Tongues.

I got interested in Fripp much later, when I heard No Pussyfooting.

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Trollheart

Crimson King is a superb album, there's no doubt. I may have come late to that but I do recognise its greatness, and yes (DEEP BREATH) I would take it over Close to the Edge any day, and twice on Sundays. (Ducks)

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