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Old 03-09-2007, 02:07 PM   #51 (permalink)
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No. You're saying At The Gates is a metalcore band. That's simply not a fact.

And I view "toug guy" and "posi" hardcore as being descriptors, not actual genres.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't believe I ever said AtG was a metalcore outfit; I said their progressive breed of melodeath pioneered the metalcore sound.

'Posicore' is a style, but I'd say 'tough guy' is a genre. 'Posicore' is a set of ideals, and is evident in the lyrics and lifestyle of a band, not the music. 'Tough guy' is a genre, because it possesses its own unique sound. Compare the sound of Throwdown or Remembering Never to As I Lay Dying or All That Remains: the difference is easy to hear.
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Old 03-09-2007, 02:53 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't believe I ever said AtG was a metalcore outfit
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I do not, and will never, consider Black Dahlia as anything but metalcore. And yes, they sound like At the Gates.
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'Posicore' is a style, but I'd say 'tough guy' is a genre. 'Posicore' is a set of ideals, and is evident in the lyrics and lifestyle of a band, not the music.
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Tough guy most certainly is a genre: it's a subgenre of metalcore, heavily influenced by punk ideals
Believe it or not, they are both styles of music.
Also, lyrics are a part of a band's music.
Lifestyle isn't necessarily a part of a band's music, but "tough guy" lifestyle is inherent in "tough guy" music, just like "posicore" mentality shows in "posicore" music.


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Old 03-09-2007, 07:35 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I tire of this discussion, too. However, I do not take kindly to words being put in my mouth. In closing, there is a difference between saying two bands sound alike and saying they are of the same genre. I don't see how anyone could not recognize that.

In short, posicore lyrics can be applied to any hardcore/metal hybrid, whereas the tough guy sound is a genre in itself.
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Old 03-10-2007, 04:55 PM   #54 (permalink)
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In closing, there is a difference between saying two bands sound alike and saying they are of the same genre.
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At the Gates were the pioneers of metalcore.
My mistake for not actually reading what you typed. I hate when I make up things. /furious sarcasm.
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Again, there is a difference between pioneering a genre and being of that genre. You guys are hopeless.
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lol, there really isn't. You just weren't clear at all, and are now trying to backtrack.

Repeat after me, "I was wrong. At The Gates is not even close to being a metalcore band. The only thing they have in common is that some metalcore stole their minor key, chromaticised riffs. I have no knowledge of music theory or anything outside meedly tech and therefore will cease to argue"

It'll do you good.
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First off, I actually have two years of music theory under my belt; granted, that's a drop in the bucket, but it's better than nothing. Second, I am one-hundred percent positive that I listen to a greater variety of music than anyone on this board; the majority of the people I have encountered (including yourself) are locked into a handful of genres and are convinced they are the greatest. I, however, do not venture deeply into any one genre, but rather explore about seventy-five percent of all of them. I will admit that I do not know everything about death metal, or metalcore, or the hybrids in between, but I will not concede that AtG is 'not even close to being a metalcore band'. That is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard. Third, your misunderstanding of the English language isn't my fault.
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First off, I actually have two years of music theory under my belt; granted, that's a drop in the bucket, but it's better than nothing. Second, I am one-hundred percent positive that I listen to a greater variety of music than anyone on this board; the majority of the people I have encountered (including yourself) are locked into a handful of genres and are convinced they are the greatest. I, however, do not venture deeply into any one genre, but rather explore about seventy-five percent of all of them. I will admit that I do not know everything about death metal, or metalcore, or the hybrids in between, but I will not concede that AtG is 'not even close to being a metalcore band'. That is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard. Third, your misunderstanding of the English language isn't my fault.
1. Congrats, use it then.

2. I really couldn't care less. It's a pointless arguement. If you want to know what I jam, my last.fm link is my signature.

3. You're on the internet. Inflection, sarcasm, etc are hard to pick up on. And it obviously wasn't only my "misunderstanding". Plus the fact that you do not think they aren't at all a non-metalcore band highlights you're lack of use of theory when analyzing what you're hearing.
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So you firmly believe that there are no elements of metalcore evident in AtG?
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Yes.

There are elements of ATG in metalcore. Notably the minor/diminished riffs, and some vocal patterns.
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