lol @ bad grindcore
 

YouTube - ABACABB - "Run"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuNjK_jaahk


yeaahhh

I find about 80% of grindcore to be pretty atrocious and boring.

that's pretty accurate. Maybe closer to 92%.

those videos are hilarious though. This kid I know made em.

Some good grindcore:
YouTube - napalm death - scum
YouTube - Pig Destroyer - Piss Angel
YouTube - Circle of Dead Children - Zero Comfort Margin
YouTube - Psyopus-Insects{[Sound Check]}

Although that was amusing, I'm actually a fan of ABACABB, hell, I would go see them.
They're interesting, scenely interesting, but still interesting.

CODC>Everyone on herex10. But Napalm Death is rather boring.

And yeah, those videos win as well.

Hey that's at the ottobar!


I love that band but good lord they make it look way too easy. They barely move.

Psyopus are from my hometown...sorta. Never got the chance to see them, but we opened for them a couple of years back.... I think. Senior year was kind of a smoky blur.

PsyOpus = NOT GRINDCORE

oh kids

yr rite. they're just awesome.

well, i couldn't agree more. i do get pissed every time i watch that one vid though, damn, they make it look TOO easy

I cant get into ABACABB, it sucks that most grind is becoming a hybrid with death metal now, so many bands are characterized as both without there being a true defining point between the two. EWWW, I know napalm death are considered to be the fathers of grindcore but I cant get into them either, psyopus is more tech metal/metalcore......shredcore haha, thats my term for them, theyre awesome, the lead singer was hilarious mainly because he was drunk out of his mind

I saw them once and the guitar player was coked out of his mind and the singer was so ****ing drunk and when nose started to bleed he looked like a maniac.

The Waking the Cadaver one was pretty good.

If you're gonna bash bands atleast get their genre right. ABACABB is deathcore; COTC is deathgrind; Waking the Cadaver is also deathcore; PsyOpus is tech metal.

Anyway:

I understand why people hate deathcore. It's become a scene trend. I like it, though. Nothing beats a chokka-chokka snare behind vocals that sound like someone's vomiting out their insides.

Whether you like the band or not, this video is hilarious:
YouTube - Waking The Cadaver - Chased Through The Woods

Deathcore is not a fucking genre.

Not true: Deathcore is a fusion of death metal and metalcore, typically featuring the blast beats and guttural vocals of death metal and the breakdowns of metalcore. Riffing is a mix of metalcore and death metal.

No, that's a common misconception.
Deathcore is too crappy to have it's own genre, especially a word that sounds as cool as 'Deathcore'.

Deathcore is a lie.
The correct term is generic.

Also, even if anyone was to actually consider Deathcore a genre, Waking the Cadaver would not fall under it, they would fall under Deathgrind, a hybrid of Death Metal and Grindcore, featuring usually fast songs with pointless lyrics about gruesome fictional stories sung by hungry pigs, surrounded by overpowering crunchy power chords and unnecessary semi-breakdowns.

I can see WtC as deathgrind, except for that they do have 'semi-breakdowns', and their guitars aren't as noisy as deathgrind acts like CotC and Leng Tch'e. Agree to disagree, though.

Agreeing to disagree is for passive aggressive bitches.
Say you disagree with me.

How could I take offense to the dispute of a genre?
Besides, I have no intention to listen to Waking the Cadaver.

i dislike this video wholly.
ive only heard pig destroyer..well for grind bands, any other recommendations?

Agoraphobic Nosebleed, Circle Of Dead Children, Tower Of Rome, Cloacal Kiss, Combatwoundedveteran, Flesh And Blood Robot, Lacerated Entrails, Me and Him Call It Us, Leng Tch'e, Paracoccidioidomicosisproctitissarcomucosis.

For bands like Tower of Rome, The Great Redneck Hope, The Number Twelve Looks Like You, Daughters, MAHCIU, a lot of people say they the mathcore completely dominates, and so they are in no way considered grindcore.

Edit: Also, some other good listens: 25 Dollar Massacre, The Motel Bible, Bodies In The Gears Of the Apparatus.

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*deep breath*


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why do people feel the need to rationalize ****ty music?


and Snickers, I like you and all, but don't reccomend grind plz.

Mikey, check out Nasum, Carcass, Brutal Truth, and Oath To Vanquish. All you'll need.

I would call it tunelesscore or practicewritingsongsforanother20yearsyoutalentless c**tcore or moref***ingcorethanyoucore but thats just me and my insistence on accurate definition.

Ian you are so metal.

'Agreeing to disagree' is acknowledging that I disagree with you, yet can understand your viewpoint and am not going to bother trying to persuade you to adopt mine.

>>Moon Pix, you don't judge music, or any art, based on talent. Anyone that says deathcore bands are talented is just retarded.

>>riseagainst, Nasum is infinitely more boring than the bands Snickers recommended. Hating on bands because they're popular (whether that be among the mainstream or scene kids or whatever) is just as ignorant as adopting a band because they're popular; if you hate them because you think their music blows, fine.

Nah, just that almost everything you reccomended is scene grind. Not real music.

You're aware that Converge was the original 'scene grind' band, right?

Scene = http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1...m/IM000587.jpg

So no. You're wrong. And grind? What? Converge started out as a hardcore band with "metal" tendencies. They pioneered metalcore and if more bands were like them it wouldn't have the ****ty name it does now. Metalcore =/= breakdowns or chromatic riffs by the way.

I disagree with your opinion of Converge; At the Gates were the pioneers of metalcore.

'Scene grind' isn't even a genre--as I'm sure you know; the term you're looking for is tech grind. I assume you're talking about bands like The Great Redneck Hope, Cloacal Kiss, Destroyer Destroyer, Ed Gein, MAHCIU, Robinson... hm, let's see... The Sawtooth Grin, See You Next Tuesday, Stand Before the Firing Squad, Vessels Cast from Crippled Hands, et al.

Yes, I'm a namedropping whore; yes, I listen to these bands. No, I am not scene.

And a band doesn't need to be technical to be considered tech grind.

I disagree with that.

Me neither, but I'm pretty sure the majority are.

Most of the time, they just have to have fans that have part time jobs as ninjas.



I've argued this a lot with RAR, but scene kids, the majority of those bands fans, are bastardizing little shits, and according to Ian, happen to be extremely concentrated in his area.
I dislike scene kids just as much as him (to my knowledge), however, I am willing to listen to their music still (even if they cater to the little bitches sometimes).

They definitely are swarming to this genre. Furthermore, they feel it's necessary to tag everything from Despised Icon to Killwhitneydead as grindcore, thinking it gives them 'br00tal' scene cred. Ninety-percent of them have never heard of Napalm Death, or Discordance Axis; they are merely jumping on a bandwagon.
Trust me, you can't really dance to tech grind. I went to a See You Next Tuesday show and the kids didn't know what to do. When they finally played Clawhammer, no one recognized the breakdown when it came because they're too used to generic Bury Your Dead breakdowns.

Who would you say pioneered metalcore?

Ummmm....no. At The Gates were always and will always be a Melodic Death Metal band. The "Gothenburg" sound they had has been bastardized by today's "metalcore" acts.

And "tech grind". Call it what you will, my point still stands, it's kids ripping off the bands that ripped off the founders of the style. Real grind = Carcass, Nasum, Brutal Truth, Pig Destroyer, Birdflesh.

I call it scene grind because of the people involved in it. It's not heavy or "brutal", it's weak breakdowns and a lack of playing ability covered up by the use of pitchshifters or drum machines. And kids go bat**** crazy for it and I really think a lot of it has to do with "rebellion". All adolescents go through it, when I was first getting into real death metal around 9th grade, I'd blast it from my room to annoy my mom and dad, I've since grown out of that but half the guys in these bands are over 20.

It's not good, not unique, and simply caters to chick pants wearing homo's.

I never even understood the term "metalcore" it just sounds like metal to me. I don't see any infulence of Black Flag, Minor Threat, Articles of Faith etc in bands like Converge.

Because there isn't much. It's the mentality/attitude/lyrical content more than anything.

Converge and Hatebreed.

At The Gates are strictly Melodeath, a lot of their lyrics focus on death and hate, their riffs are pretty melodic and technical, and there's a lot of double basedrumming, generally just a lot of things that were innovative (at the time) for death metal acts.
Converge and Hatebreed's lyrics (especially Hatebreed's) focus mainly on oppression and rebellion, vocals are more shouted and screamed as in a more punk style, and they bands have a much thrashier/hardcore sound.

Converge vocals are nothing like hardcore punk vocals, the shouting comparison can be just as easily made with metal.

The Gothenburg sound is precisely what grew into metalcore. Hatebreed are the pioneers of tough guy; they had nothing to do with the rise of metalcore (Snickers).

Cmon, tech grind breakdowns aren't weak. Listen to TGRH's 'They Say The People Elect the Government They Deserve, But I Don't Remember Knife-Raping Any Retarded Nuns.' and Vessels Cast from Crippled Hand's 'Ladies Drink Free' for two grand examples.

I don't wear chick pants, nor do I blast any music from my room, with the exception of Merzbow and Animal Collective. How would you classify me, and my enjoyment of tech grind?

:) merzbow