The Indie Education Thread (ticket, bootleg, alternative, hardcore, pop)

Molecules · 02-06-2008, 08:48 AM

i love everything on this label. except pete and the pirates. this is real indie...

~~achoo~~ · 03-06-2008, 09:58 AM

most if not everything on k records is good or at least worthy of a listen.

the microphones (mount eerie), thanksgiving, beat happening, little wings, etc. all great indie stuff!

pheurton · 03-31-2008, 05:49 PM

A mod should seriously delete every single page bar the first.
It's full of spam and whilst I'm adding to it, the forum would look a whole lot neater.

joderu95 · 04-30-2008, 08:03 PM

This is one long-lived and oft-contributed thread. I think Pearl Jam could be added to those bands from Seattle on the introduction if for no other reason than their fierce resistance to Ticketmaster and release of more than seventy bootleg albums in the last eights years. This is atypical of most popular and successful bands and shows their independent spirit.

djkikis · 05-20-2008, 09:21 AM

Sorry guys I'm not meaning to offend, but I don't understand indie music.

As far as i can tell it seems as if Indie is now seen as more of a particular sound in music, not an ethos. That would mean having a band with a lot of members and playing instruments that aren't necessarily used often in general rock bands (eg the cello etc).

A lot of it is great music like Arcade Fire and what not. But i saw this band Matt + Kim and I was like what the hell.. just one guy on drums and the girl on keys and singing about god knows what.

Sorry guys, but where is the firey rock and roll that opressed society needs!!!!

teshadoh · 05-20-2008, 10:54 AM

^ I admit I no longer fully understand what indie music is. In the 90's - it seemed very clear cut, indie rock was what "alternative" wasn't, independent of mainstream music media. Indie Rock is what 80's Underground morphed into, rather than being the descendant of REM & various other college rock bands of the 80's, most of early 90's indie rock had either been in 80's hardcore bands or were fans of hardcore.

By the late 90's, just as many 80's underground & college rock bands had signed major label deals & became 'alternative', numerous indie rock bands had done the same except for some flag bearers like Superchunk (flagship band of Merge Records). Many of the early 90's indie rock bands were in decline or had broken up: Sebadoh, Guided By Voices, Archers of Loaf, Pavement & Liz Phair. Essentially, just as American Hardcore declined after the mid 80's, American Indie Rock declined after the late 90's.

My point - not dismissing bands that are punk or indie rock today, what these current bands represent is a different era for the music they are associated with today. I truly think a new term needs to be created to categorize bands that are indie rock (like the excellent Tapes 'n Tapes) of this decade apart from the Indie Rock of the early 90's.

While early 90's American Indie Rock clearly had a musical style that was reminiscent of 80's American Hardcore / Underground - today's Indie Rock is a combination of New Wave (which was not an influence on early Indie Rock), 70's UK Punk & 80's American Hardcore, 90's Indie Rock & Alternative as well as general Rock music from the 70's on.

Perhaps current Indie Rock is really just 'Rock', there isn't a clear distinction between relatively mainstream alternative bands like Bloc Party or Interpol with today's Indie Rock & considering how fragmented Rock is today - there are very few musicians that play any simplistic form of rock today.

djkikis · 05-20-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by teshadoh

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Perhaps current Indie Rock is really just 'Rock', there isn't a clear distinction between relatively mainstream alternative bands like Bloc Party or Interpol with today's Indie Rock & considering how fragmented Rock is today

You're so right man. It is quite annoying when people say indie this and indie that because some of them are flying high in mainstream labels.. It's just a term for a new era in music. Good one.

~~Farfisa~~ · 05-22-2008, 06:43 PM

I'm a little upset because Spacemen 3 and Spiritualized aren't included on the dream pop and shoegaze sections

sleepy jack · 05-22-2008, 06:46 PM

Swim and I are revising it this summer.

vvnpants · 09-12-2008, 03:00 AM

Question, is there a grunge rock thread topic?

02-06-2008, 08:48 AM	#231 (permalink)
Molecules daddy don't Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: the Wastes Posts: 2,577	i love everything on this label. except pete and the pirates. this is real indie... __________________ [SIZE="1"]Eff em tumble her

04-30-2008, 08:03 PM	#234 (permalink)
joderu95 Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Washington Posts: 93	This is one long-lived and oft-contributed thread. I think Pearl Jam could be added to those bands from Seattle on the introduction if for no other reason than their fierce resistance to Ticketmaster and release of more than seventy bootleg albums in the last eights years. This is atypical of most popular and successful bands and shows their independent spirit. __________________ Did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? ~Pink Floyd

03-06-2008, 09:58 AM	#232 (permalink)
~~achoo~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 34	most if not everything on k records is good or at least worthy of a listen. the microphones (mount eerie), thanksgiving, beat happening, little wings, etc. all great indie stuff!

03-31-2008, 05:49 PM	#233 (permalink)
pheurton n/a Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 990	A mod should seriously delete every single page bar the first. It's full of spam and whilst I'm adding to it, the forum would look a whole lot neater.

05-20-2008, 09:21 AM	#235 (permalink)
djkikis Groupie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 27	Sorry guys I'm not meaning to offend, but I don't understand indie music. As far as i can tell it seems as if Indie is now seen as more of a particular sound in music, not an ethos. That would mean having a band with a lot of members and playing instruments that aren't necessarily used often in general rock bands (eg the cello etc). A lot of it is great music like Arcade Fire and what not. But i saw this band Matt + Kim and I was like what the hell.. just one guy on drums and the girl on keys and singing about god knows what. Sorry guys, but where is the firey rock and roll that opressed society needs!!!!

05-20-2008, 10:54 AM	#236 (permalink)
teshadoh Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 94	^ I admit I no longer fully understand what indie music is. In the 90's - it seemed very clear cut, indie rock was what "alternative" wasn't, independent of mainstream music media. Indie Rock is what 80's Underground morphed into, rather than being the descendant of REM & various other college rock bands of the 80's, most of early 90's indie rock had either been in 80's hardcore bands or were fans of hardcore. By the late 90's, just as many 80's underground & college rock bands had signed major label deals & became 'alternative', numerous indie rock bands had done the same except for some flag bearers like Superchunk (flagship band of Merge Records). Many of the early 90's indie rock bands were in decline or had broken up: Sebadoh, Guided By Voices, Archers of Loaf, Pavement & Liz Phair. Essentially, just as American Hardcore declined after the mid 80's, American Indie Rock declined after the late 90's. My point - not dismissing bands that are punk or indie rock today, what these current bands represent is a different era for the music they are associated with today. I truly think a new term needs to be created to categorize bands that are indie rock (like the excellent Tapes 'n Tapes) of this decade apart from the Indie Rock of the early 90's. While early 90's American Indie Rock clearly had a musical style that was reminiscent of 80's American Hardcore / Underground - today's Indie Rock is a combination of New Wave (which was not an influence on early Indie Rock), 70's UK Punk & 80's American Hardcore, 90's Indie Rock & Alternative as well as general Rock music from the 70's on. Perhaps current Indie Rock is really just 'Rock', there isn't a clear distinction between relatively mainstream alternative bands like Bloc Party or Interpol with today's Indie Rock & considering how fragmented Rock is today - there are very few musicians that play any simplistic form of rock today.

05-22-2008, 06:43 PM	#238 (permalink)
~~Farfisa~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,773	I'm a little upset because Spacemen 3 and Spiritualized aren't included on the dream pop and shoegaze sections

09-12-2008, 03:00 AM	#240 (permalink)
vvnpants Groupie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Moscow Posts: 1	Question, is there a grunge rock thread topic?