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It gets a very good from me.

Had it been a little darker & a bit more menacing I would have given it full marks. I can understand why some people are showing hostility towards it , especially from people who love his first few albums , but as i'm more a fan of his 90s material like Henry's Dream & Let Love In so I don't mind it so much

yeah i'm more of a birthday party fan so i don't think he's gone quite far enough either

So I'm a slow moving dinosaur in a world of ****ed out dragonflies, but I somehow slept through all the obvious signs that I should listen to this band. I heard Metallica cover "lover man" and I loved it. I heard Lime-tree Aubur on Last FM and I loved it.

Tonight I finally got around to digging some of this stuff up to see what Nick Cave and the Bad seeds were all about...Holy ****.

Can you guys please leave me your top ten favorites. I need to sit with a dose of his music for a week. its like Tom Waits and Leonard Cohen asked Frank Zappa to be the Surrogate mother.

I heard a snippet of:
Dig Lazarus, Dig
Papa won't leave ya, Henry and I had a Dream, Joe
Muddy Water from Kicking the Pricks

All of it just screamed to me that I'd been missing something too good for words. I'm late, but I'm here. What should I make an effort to hear...please.

One of my best friend's is a complete Nick Cave junkie so I can send you anything you want. This is how I rank his albums in order of preference I can describe them if you want.

1. The Boatman's Call
2. Let Love In
3. Murder Ballads
4. No More Shall We Part
5. Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!!
6. Tender Prey
7. The Good Son

Those are the only ones I'm familiar with. The first three are flawless though. The Birthday Party and Grinderman are worth checking out also. Here's some of my favorite songs by him that aren't on your list.

Stagger Lee
The Curse of Millhaven
Into My Arms
Henry Lee
Deanna
Lovely Creature
Loverman
Red Right Hand
Song Of Joy
Do You Love Me?
I Let Love In

i prefer the birthday party to the bad seeds, but both rule. grinderman is pretty cool too.

i finally heard dig lazarus dig last week, it was pretty good.

I have been a Nick Cave fan since the very early 90's. While I rate albums like "Kicking against the pricks" "The Good Son" "Tender Prey" total classics, I recently pick up a copy of "Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus" and I have to say it is totally brilliant. I would go as far to say that it is his best album ever.

Would you care to rank your top 5 for me? I'm hearing a lot of "go get Boatman's Call"

no?

Mine would rank...

1. Henry's Dream
2. Let Love In
3. Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus
4, Murder Ballads
5. Dig Lazarus Dig
6. From Her To Eternity
7. Kicking Against The Pricks

I can't actually remember the last time I heard The Boatmans Call. That and No More Shall We Part & Nocturama are probably the Cave album I listen to the least.

And if anyone wants me to I can always upload the More Pricks Than Kicks bootleg , which is basically a collection of covers, a bit like a fan made sequel to Kicking Against The Pricks.

I'm the bad motherfucker called Stagger Lee.

Nick Cave is probably the manliest man ever and the greatest lyricist of the past 100 years.

He's certainly the best musical narrator I've heard.

During my Goth phase in the 80s I went out with a girl who always put 'The Carny' on when we were getting down. Great track but not conducive to hot passion.

I've always loved The Birthday party and Cave's solo stuff. I own everything up to and including Tender Prey, but I've never bought anything since...

Cave is a fantastic screenwriter too. Ghosts Of The Civil Dead and The Proposition are top notch. Ghosts needs to be released in this country dammit.

gotta say Nick Cave, although not my style, definitely can make a darn good song. I recently listened to some of his new stuff while perusing NPR. Really solid junk rock. Totally visceral listening experience, even if I don't agree with the title of the thread.

I can't agree with the Buckley comments. Being a Rufus Wainwright fan and having to tolerate all of the comparisons between the two, you can grow to hate Buckley even more than you should. THat being said, I wouldn't like his music still and never got the whole big deal about his voice.

Loooove Nick.:wave:

Love the fact that Warren Ellis apparently punched Jack Black on Jools Holland too (that's what some comment on youtube said, so, obviously, not quite a reliable source, but I like to entertain the notion nonetheless)

Maybe I don't know Jeff Buckley well enough, but the fact that he also covered Leonard Cohen is not enough for me to associate Jeff and Nick, or even Rufus, as artists. I kinda like all of them, but I don't think Rufus, with or without the fact that he's been around since he was a kid, has not quite reached the career heights Nick has. And that is despite how much more mainstream they are that either the B-day Party or the Bad Seeds ever were.

Dig Lazarus Dig is easily one of my favourite albums this year (I was so happy that is was coming out that I actually ordered from the UK to get it earlier).

Proggyman, I especially like that comment about him being of the best musical narrator out there, not only because I certainly feel the same, but I recently heard an interview with him in which he says he primarily saw himself as a writer.

Right now, I normally put on either Hold On To Yourself or Jesus Of The Moon on repeat all the way to work (and that's almost an hour). Really great songs.

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 452181)

yeah i'm more of a birthday party fan so i don't think he's gone quite far enough either

Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds>The Birthday Party
Needless to say, I love ' em both

Dig , Lazarus , Dig was very good , I still maintain Abattoir Blues / The Lyre of Orpheuss his best

One of my favourite album this year so far.

But then again, Nick could sing over himself farting and playing the washboard and I'd still go :bowdown:

Why? Jesus of The Moon, and Hold On To Yourself, at least.

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 32268)

But thats basically the point i`ve been making all along.
I don`t deny he had potential , but he never fulfilled it. I think it`s unfair to say that someone COULD have been better than someone else if they were never around to prove that they were .Nick Cave has been putting out top quality albums for over 25 years both with the Birthday Party & his own stuff, there are not many bands that can say that. I can`t think of a single dip in quality throughout his whole career.
To suggest that Jeff Buckley is better on the strength of one album , of which he didn`t even write around a third of it just seems a bit stupid to me. And that is why I think Nick Cave is better than Jeff Buckley.Plus I think Nick Cave has a much more expressive & distinctive voice.

He's a much better musician as well.

Right so just how good is the new album? I haven't bothered to listen to it yet. I don't trust the reviews, and need a push.

Best album I've heard all year.
It's not been out of the CD player for the last 3 weeks and it gets better every listen.

Does Cave actually sing at all on the album?

way to revive a 4 year old thread guys.

but yeah i guess he is ok.

wow, i tried to say that with a straight face, utterly failed.
yeah nick cave is orgasmic.

his new album is absolutely one of the best things this year.

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Originally Posted by 15Steps (Post 490702)

Well, I wouldn't have joined the forum is someone hadn't revived this 4 year old thread. When I saw a Nick Cave thread that I hadn't start and that wasn't kept alive by me and only one other person, I thought I'd reached music forum heaven. The biggest shock was reading the posts of a lot of different people who worships him...

Can't wait to see him this fall :tramp:

Dig, Lazarus Dig: MOJO's best album of the year:
http://inthenews.co.uk/entertainment/music/duffy-claims-song-year-prize-at-mojo-awards-$1227618.htm

Nick Cave is too pretentious

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Originally Posted by British_pharaoh (Post 491727)

Nick Cave is too pretentious

Whether he is or not, how would that affect the quality of his music? Most artists are pretentious anyway...

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I am tall and I am thin
Of an enviable hight
And I've been known to be quite handsome
In a certain angle and in certain light
Well I entered into O'Malley's
Said, "O'Malley I have a thirst"
O'Malley merely smiled at me
Said "You wouldn't be the first"
I knocked on the bar and pointed
To a bottle on the shelf
And as O'Malley poured me out a drink
I sniffed and crossed myself
My hand decided that the time was nigh
And for a moment it slipped from view
And when it returned, it fairly burned
With confidence anew
Well the thunder from my steely fist
Made all the glasses jangle
When I shot him, I was so handsome
It was the light, it was the angle
Huh! Hmmmmmm
"Neighbours!" I cried, "Friends!" I screamed
I banged my fist upon the bar
"I bear no grudge against you!"
And my **** felt long and hard
"I am the man for which no God waits
But for which the whole world yearns
I'm marked by darkness and by blood
And one thousand powder-burns"
Well, you know those fish with the swollen lips
That clean the ocean floor
When I looked at poor O'Malley's wife
That's exactly what I saw
I jammed the barrel under her chin
And her face looked raw and vicious
Her head it landed in the sink
With all the dirty dishes
Her little daughter Siobhan
Pulled beers from dusk till down
And amongst the townfolk she was a bit of a joke
But she pulled the best beer in town
I swooped magnificent upon her
As she sat shivering in her grief
Like the Madonna painted on the church-house wall
In whale's blood and banana leaf
Her throat it crumbled in my fist
And I spun heroically around
To see Caffrey rising from his seat
I shot that mother ****er down
Mmmmmmmmmm Yeah Yeah Yeah
"I have no free will", I sang
As I flew about the murder
Mrs. Richard Holmes, she screamed
You really should have heard her
I sang and I laughed, I howled and I wept
I panted like a pup
I blew a hole in Mrs. Richard Holmes
And her husband stupidly stood up
As he screamed, "You are an evil man"
And I paused a while to wonder
"If I have no free will then how can I
Be morally culpable, I wonder"
I shot Richard Holmes in the stomach
And gingerly he sat down
And he whispered weirdly, "No offense"
And then lay upon the ground
"None taken", I replied to him
To which he gave a little cough
With blazing wings I neatly aimed
And blew his head completely off
I've lived in this town for thirty years
And to no-one I am a stranger
And I put new bullets in my gun
Chamber upon chamber
And I turned my gun on the bird-like Mr. Brookes
I thought of Saint Francis and his sparrows
And as I shot down the youthful Richardson
It was St. Sebastian I thought of, and his arrows
Hhhhhhhhhh Mmmmmmmmmmmm
I said, "I want to introduce myself
And I am glad that all you came"
And I leapt upon the bar
And shouted out my name
Well Jerry Bellows, he hugged his stool
Closed his eyes and shrugged and laughed
And with an ashtray as big as a ****ing really big brick
I split his head in half
His blood spilled across the bar
Like a steaming scarlet brook
And I knelt at it's edge on the counter
Wiped the tears away and looked
Well, the light in there was blinding
Full of God and ghosts of truth
I smiled at Henry Davenport
Who made an attempt to move
Well, from the position I was standing
The strangest thing I ever saw
The bullet entered through the top of his chest
And blew his bowels out on the floor
Well I floated down the counter
Showing no remorse
I shot a hole in Kathleen Carpenter
Recently divorced
But remorse i felt and remorse I had
It clung to every thing
From the raven's hair upon my head
To the feathers on my wings
Remorse sqeezed my hand in it's fradulent claw
With it's golden hairless chest
And I glided through the bodies
And killed the fat man Vincent West
Who sat quietly in his chair
A man become a child
And I raised the gun up to his head
Executioner-style
He made no attempt to resist
So fat and dull and lazy
"Did you know I lived in your street?" I said
And he looked at me as though I were crazy
"O", he said, "I had no idea"
And he grew as quiet as a mouse
And the roar of the pistol when it went off
Near blew that hat right off the house
Hmmmmmm Uh Uh
Well, I caught my eye in the mirror
And gave it a long and loving inspection
"There stands some kind of man", I roared
And there did, in the reflection
My hair combed back like a raven's wing
My muscles hard and tight
And curling from the business end of my gun
Was a query-mark of cordite
Well I spun to the left, I spun to the right
And I spun to the left again
"Fear me! Fear me! Fear me!"
But no one did cause they were dead
Huh! Hmmmmmmmmm
And then there were the police sirens wailing
And a bull-horn squelched and blared
"Drop your weapons and come out
With your hands held in the air"
Well, I checked the chamber of my gun
Saw I had one final bullet left
My hand, it looked almost human
As I raised it to my head
"Drop your weapon and come out!
Keep your hands above your head!"
I had one one long hard think about dying
And did exactly what they said
There must have been fifty cops out there
In a circle around O'Malley's bar
"Don't shoot", I cried, "I'm a man unarmed!"
So they put me in their car
And they sped me away from that terrible scene
And I glanced out of the window
Saw O'Malley's bar, saw the cops and the cars
And I started counting on my fingers
Aaaaaah One Aaaaaah Two Aaaaaah Three Aaaaaaah Four
O'Malley's bar O'Malley's bar

don't really see anything pretentious there. In fact it seems pretty straight forward to me.

So far I've only seen him live on DVDs and in tv interviews, but he certainly doesn't come across as too pretentious. He doesn't look like he tolerates crap easily, but pretentious, I don't know. maybe in the early days?

Then again, stuff like Johnny Suede don't strike me as pretentious. Seems like he can make fun of himself...

Best album of the year so far? I think probably so. Unbelievable. Can't believe I didn't bother listening to it earlier on in the year.

I'm beginning to regret giving it a 'very good' earlier.
Excellent.

I absolutely loved Grindermen, it was one of, if not my favorite nick cave albums.

Dig lazarus didn't do much for me however, maybe i will give it another go.

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Originally Posted by matious (Post 492598)

I absolutely loved Grindermen, it was one of, if not my favorite nick cave albums.

Dig lazarus didn't do much for me however, maybe i will give it another go.

Keep listening! I'm not going to make the fine wine cliché but, you catch my drift.

So many infectious songs. Listening to this i'm wondering why i've never really bothered with Nick Cave before, (all i have apart from this is the last double album and the Grinderman album).
The title track will not get out of my head. Grr.
My other highlights are Today's Lesson and Lie Down Here. Proper blues songs, just like with Grinderman it's the sound of a load of guys in the studio putting down some great jams and having a good time.

Jesus Of The Moon is the clear stand-out to me. Not that the others songs aren't good, but ****, that's easily on my top 50 playlist.

There, see - what I love about this album is that EVERYBODY has different songs as their favourites and the ones they cite as the "content" tracks of the album. That is a clear indication of just how much merit is in this record. You know when nobody can agree upon which songs are the standouts that you are dealing with true greatness.

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 493098)

QFT
I think it'll be in the top 10 of the year for me.

Moonland is pretty fooking awesome.

Nick Cave was awesome. The Birthday Party forever.

I was disappointed w/this record, as I thought he was trying to be too "poppy" with it. I was hoping it was more old school.

I never quite understand what it is people want from Nick Cave.
All his stuff should be appreciated.