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right-track 07-19-2008 02:00 AM

Somebody tell me how one of these is better than the other.




Bulldog 11-01-2008 02:42 PM

Well, I'm only half a year late, but what the hell :D Excellent album - it's a toss-up between this, No More Shall We Part, Abattoir Blues/Lyre Of Orpheus for me when it comes to the best Bad Seeds album. Today's Lesson, Albert Goes West and More News From Nowhere are all killer songs. Can't wait for what he's got in store for us next

Fruitonica 11-01-2008 10:16 PM

Yeah, having listened through it a good number of times it gets a very good.
Today's Lesson and We Call Upon the Author are the standout tracks for me.

Rainard Jalen 11-02-2008 01:42 AM

this is the best straight rock album of the year. there's nothing to touch it. nothing. even if you claim that there is, you are wrong. face up to the inevitable. nothing that is rock touches this record in 2008.

Trollheart 12-02-2008 12:20 PM

May be of interest to Nick Cave fans
 
Came across an album I forgot I had, while digitising my collection at the weekend. It's called "And the ass saw the angel", and is a collection of about 17 tracks of Cave music, plus the man reading from (I think) his own writings.
Apparently was originally a free extra disc with "Tender Prey".
Anyone would like it uploaded, let me know.
I'll post a full tracklisting when I get home.
Great the things you forget you have, isn't it? :)

Janszoon 12-02-2008 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 556558)
Came across an album I forgot I had, while digitising my collection at the weekend. It's called "And the ass saw the angel", and is a collection of about 17 tracks of Cave music, plus the man reading from (I think) his own writings.

He wrote a novel with the same name, so I bet the readings are excerpts from the book.

Bulldog 12-02-2008 04:44 PM

I've heard of the disc before. Read the book as well (great book - takes some brains to write a novel where the protagonist can't actually speak). I'd be interested in an upload if you can manage it :)

Trollheart 12-02-2008 05:43 PM

Think that's right.
Full tracklisting as promised:-

READINGS

Mah Sanctum
Lamentation
One Autumn
Animal static

THEATRE MUSIC
Sleepy river piano
Doghead
Pa's traps
Cosey's lullaby
Sanctum
The Hobo church
Sleepy river swoon
God
Euchrid on the run
Beth's sleepy river
Doghead revisited
Angels

I've never listened to this, but as I say if anyone would like it made available post and let me know...

Trollheart 12-02-2008 06:18 PM

OK, done now. Enjoy! :)

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mj1dmguyodg/And The Ass Saw The Angel.rar

TheBig3 12-03-2008 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldog (Post 556747)
I've heard of the disc before. Read the book as well (great book - takes some brains to write a novel where the protagonist can't actually speak). I'd be interested in an upload if you can manage it :)

is it worth picking up?

Bulldog 12-03-2008 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 556836)
OK, done now. Enjoy! :)

http://www.mediafire.com/file/mj1dmguyodg/And The Ass Saw The Angel.rar

Thanks for that - I'll give it a listen in the morning :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog (Post 557189)
is it worth picking up?

I'd say so. It's one of my personal favourites, but bear in mind;

1. I'm a bit of a Nick Cave fanboy, so probably slightly biased
2. I'm not really much of a reader!

So I can't legitimately say it's a classic or anything. It's still definitely worth a go though.

kyleargyle 12-05-2008 03:34 PM

awesome! thanks for the upload, dude.

Trollheart 12-06-2008 03:29 PM

More news of interest to Nick Cave fans
 
If you have Channel M (SKY 203), there's a half-hour special filmed in Manchester with Nick and the Seeds. It's on at 2 AM and repeated again at 11:30 tomorrow morning.

right-track 12-06-2008 03:33 PM

And if you miss those...chances are it'll be repeated on here; Channel M - TV for Manchester

LOOMER 12-07-2008 06:16 AM

Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!! - Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
 
NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS
DIG, LAZARUS, DIG!!!
Mute Records (2008)

  1. Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!!
  2. Today's Lesson
  3. Moonland
  4. Night of the Lotus Eaters
  5. Albert Goes West
  6. We Call Upon the Author
  7. Hold On To Yourself
  8. Lie Down Here (And Be My Girl)
  9. Jesus of the Moon
  10. Midnight Man
  11. More News From Nowhere

Nick Cave is one of those artists that nowadays, at first glance, seems to possess no real special qualities. Sure, you might point in the direction of his old albums and pinpointing the really freaky results of an oddball junkie's literary ramblings and goth-flirting gestures and say: "he's unique!" Sadly enough, it has been revealed that the source for these really special moments (the audial ones) was Blixa Bargeld. What is left is conventional songwriting by Cave and his fellow seeders, such as Warren Ellis. The conventionality annoyed me when I first heard Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus, but after a while I understood that my annoyance wholly depended on the very thought of it. So I dropped that thought, in order to really be able to listen to the new Nick Cave. In that light, Dig, Lazarus, dig!!! is a very good album, with a more focused sounding content than it's double predecessor, where a sense of decadence and decay dominates the atmosphere (largely instilled by its marvelous cover).
One of the great feats of this album is its upright and honest tone, which is in fact strenghtened by its great weakness: it's Rock Music. The songs are, like most ones that originate from what we call the sphere of popular music, the type of songs that you've heard before. Riff rock-convention, piano blues, and slammering guitar chords are the potato of this dish, paired with an ironic sauce of odd backing vocals and the well-cooked filet of Cave's rambling/singing/recital, which is at its height in the gem that is the third track, "Moonland".
The album is very dynamic in the aspects of tempo and intensity,with "Night of the Lotus Eaters" being the slowest and most haunting piece of the record, and "Midnight Man" and "Lie Down Here (And Be My Girl)" the opposite: energetic pieces following a more standard rock script. Cave's faiblesse for situating his lyrics in a more literary context is still live and kicking, as seen in the fact that the entire seven-minute piece "More News From Nowhere" is based on the Ulysses story. Although somewhat forcibly literary, it's still a good song, where Cave's recital is accompanied by an almost aggravatingly simple effort by the Bad Seeds.
Overall, the record is an honorable effort: it captivates me with its theatricality, where Cave himself, with his unbuttoned shirt and greasy moustache, is the main actor. The dirty, nightly atmosphere (which is brilliantly captured in the official video for "More News From Nowhere") constitutes great scenery for his lyrical gestures, and it has the upper hand against Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus in the sense that the context of the record is narrower and the style of production more focused.

4/5

pianokeys 12-09-2008 06:09 PM

I still haven't gotten into this album... I just don't think it's amazing as everyone cracks it up to be.

jackhammer 12-10-2008 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pianokeys (Post 561083)
I still haven't gotten into this album... I just don't think it's amazing as everyone cracks it up to be.

Honestly? I love it. Do you just not like this album or Nick Cave altogether? I have a friend who refers to him as a 'crooner' lol

pianokeys 12-10-2008 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 561362)
Honestly? I love it. Do you just not like this album or Nick Cave altogether? I have a friend who refers to him as a 'crooner' lol

I just don't like Nick Cave all together. I don't know what it is, but I just haven't gotten into him. A lot of people I know dislike him as well, so maybe he is more popular overseas than here in Australia. He won two ARIAS this year which I don't think he deserved. Random fact: he also went to my uni.

jackhammer 12-10-2008 03:22 AM

I'm a big fan. His screenplays are great too. Perhaps he is more popular outside of his native land. He has a sizeable following over here. Pity about the moustache though.

Janszoon 12-10-2008 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 561362)
Honestly? I love it. Do you just not like this album or Nick Cave altogether? I have a friend who refers to him as a 'crooner' lol

I think he is kind of a crooner but that's not a bad thing. It comes out on songs like "Do You Love Me", which is one of my favorite songs by him.

jackhammer 12-10-2008 03:28 AM

He is a superb lyricist. One of my favourites.

FireInCairo 12-10-2008 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOOMER (Post 559368)
NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS
DIG, LAZARUS, DIG!!!
Mute Records (2008)

  1. Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!!
  2. Today's Lesson
  3. Moonland
  4. Night of the Lotus Eaters
  5. Albert Goes West
  6. We Call Upon the Author
  7. Hold On To Yourself
  8. Lie Down Here (And Be My Girl)
  9. Jesus of the Moon
  10. Midnight Man
  11. More News From Nowhere

Nick Cave is one of those artists that nowadays, at first glance, seems to possess no real special qualities. Sure, you might point in the direction of his old albums and pinpointing the really freaky results of an oddball junkie's literary ramblings and goth-flirting gestures and say: "he's unique!" Sadly enough, it has been revealed that the source for these really special moments (the audial ones) was Blixa Bargeld. What is left is conventional songwriting by Cave and his fellow seeders, such as Warren Ellis. The conventionality annoyed me when I first heard Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus, but after a while I understood that my annoyance wholly depended on the very thought of it. So I dropped that thought, in order to really be able to listen to the new Nick Cave. In that light, Dig, Lazarus, dig!!! is a very good album, with a more focused sounding content than it's double predecessor, where a sense of decadence and decay dominates the atmosphere (largely instilled by its marvelous cover).
One of the great feats of this album is its upright and honest tone, which is in fact strenghtened by its great weakness: it's Rock Music. The songs are, like most ones that originate from what we call the sphere of popular music, the type of songs that you've heard before. Riff rock-convention, piano blues, and slammering guitar chords are the potato of this dish, paired with an ironic sauce of odd backing vocals and the well-cooked filet of Cave's rambling/singing/recital, which is at its height in the gem that is the third track, "Moonland".
The album is very dynamic in the aspects of tempo and intensity,with "Night of the Lotus Eaters" being the slowest and most haunting piece of the record, and "Midnight Man" and "Lie Down Here (And Be My Girl)" the opposite: energetic pieces following a more standard rock script. Cave's faiblesse for situating his lyrics in a more literary context is still live and kicking, as seen in the fact that the entire seven-minute piece "More News From Nowhere" is based on the Ulysses story. Although somewhat forcibly literary, it's still a good song, where Cave's recital is accompanied by an almost aggravatingly simple effort by the Bad Seeds.
Overall, the record is an honorable effort: it captivates me with its theatricality, where Cave himself, with his unbuttoned shirt and greasy moustache, is the main actor. The dirty, nightly atmosphere (which is brilliantly captured in the official video for "More News From Nowhere") constitutes great scenery for his lyrical gestures, and it has the upper hand against Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus in the sense that the context of the record is narrower and the style of production more focused.

4/5

Conventional? Have you not heard the Birthday Party>?

LOOMER 12-10-2008 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireInCairo (Post 561371)
Conventional? Have you not heard the Birthday Party>?

I was talking about his conventionality nowadays; neither of his two most recent albums is experimental, in my most humble opinion.

Janszoon 12-10-2008 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 561370)
He is a superb lyricist. One of my favourites.

I totally agree.

4ZZZ 02-21-2009 04:14 PM

Mick Harvey has left the Bad Seeds. This was actually announced a couple of weeks back. His replacement for the European tour is Ed Kuepper. You lucky Europeans.

From The Age
Quote:

ED KUEPPER has replaced Mick Harvey as guitarist in Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds. "The Seeds thing should be a ball — I am really looking forward to it," the guitar slinger told Sticky. Kuepper, who played an integral role in the recent Bad Seeds-curated All Tomorrow's Parties festival with the Saints and the Laughing Clowns, will join the band soon for some European festivals. After releasing 20-odd solo albums, was he enjoying the camaraderie of playing in the Saints and the Laughing Clowns over summer? "I see what you mean regarding bands versus solo, but in my case — perhaps oddly — it didn't feel that different.

So is he a big fan of the Seeds?

"To me the Bad Seeds are a band that have always been great, but the albums from the last few years are particular favourites." Is he intimidated about filling Mick Harvey's shoes? "Mick and I are fairly different in approach, I guess, and they'll be difficult shoes to fill, for sure. I just hope the people on my side of the stage don't turn their backs in protest."

After 25 years with the Bad Seeds, Harvey left the band in January citing "a variety of personal and professional reasons". The Laughing Clowns play the Forum Theatre as part of the Melbourne Jazz Festival on May 1.

Schizotypic 03-26-2009 11:44 AM

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
 
Discography Review:
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a25.../untitled8.jpg
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds have been around for over twenty-five years. That just plain and simply stuns me. Just looking back to what I've learned in the past year, the things they could explore and express in twenty-five leaves my mouth watering of curiosity. I have never heard one of their albums, but I do have their discography and am stung by a desire to break it open and bathe in it. I've decided to take MusicBanter with me.
If anyone is planing to keep track of this, expect an album review every three to five days, as I am busy.

Bulldog 03-26-2009 02:56 PM

About time someone went through their discography like this. I'm a massive fan myself, so I'll be keeping a close eye on this one.

jackhammer 03-26-2009 03:05 PM

Me too as I am nowhere near as au fait as I would like to be with Mr Caves music, only owning 4 albums.

right-track 03-26-2009 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schizotypic (Post 622797)
If anyone is planing to keep track of this, expect an album review every three to five days, as I am busy.[/CENTER]

Looking forward to this. :)

4ZZZ 03-26-2009 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schizotypic (Post 622797)
If anyone is planing to keep track of this.

I will be reading. :clap:

For your edification Nick was influenced by the magnificent The Saints initially. He has said that himself. So much so that Ed Kuepper is now the touring guitarist with The Bad Seeds, replacing Mick Harvey. If you can find it in your part of the planet Nick wrote a book called And The Ass Saw The Angel. As goth as Caves music. You may enjoy it.
http://www.jamesgalvin.net/images/ass_saw_the_angel.jpg

I look forward to these revues.

Bulldog 03-26-2009 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4ZZZ (Post 622958)
I will be reading. :clap:

For your edification Nick was influenced by the magnificent The Saints initially. He has said that himself. So much so that Ed Kuepper is now the touring guitarist with The Bad Seeds, replacing Mick Harvey. If you can find it in your part of the planet Nick wrote a book called And The Ass Saw The Angel. As goth as Caves music. You may enjoy it.
http://www.jamesgalvin.net/images/ass_saw_the_angel.jpg

I look forward to these revues.

I remember reading that. As a nice little slice of trivia Chris Bailey does the backing vocals on Bring It On (he's in the video too, I think).

Love that book as well, and it's not the fanboy in me saying that, it is a genuinely brilliant piece of fiction. I'd really recommend it.

Urban Hat€monger ? 03-26-2009 04:52 PM

This is the thread I have always wanted to do but was too chickenshit to even attempt.

I shall read with interest.

right-track 03-26-2009 04:58 PM

haha...no pressure there then, but with an attitude like this;

I have never heard one of their albums, but I do have their discography and am stung by a desire to break it open and bathe in it. I've decided to take MusicBanter with me.

...he won't go far wrong.

Double X 03-26-2009 05:34 PM

Been obsessed recently, one of the most consistently great artists in the last 50 years.

Schizotypic 03-26-2009 05:48 PM

Wow, thanks for the support everyone. My sister (as well as a lot of my old counselors from rehab) have turned me onto all kinds of things! I thought out of the ocean of music I've downloaded and overwhelmed myself with, that Nick Cave would be a great part of the very beginning of the road to my musical enlightenment. I'm so glad to hear that so many people will be going with me as I spend as much time as I can developing a relationship with these albums and am very excited. I'm going to start with From Her To Eternity (1984) today and will be posted within the next five depending on when I feel I have given the album justice. Keep in mind my opinion may change as I dig through The Bad Seeds discography.

Schizotypic 03-27-2009 06:35 PM

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds:
From Her to Eternity

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a25..._nick_cave.jpg

Iv'e spent at least a good few hours over the last couple days listening carefully and taking note on Nick Cave's From Her To Eternity. In doing so, I have developed opinions concerning all kinds of different aspects of the album. Getting on with it, I will try to summarize the key points best I can. My only hope is that my review(s) at some point serves to be useful.

Put some headphones on and crank up the volume. You're not going to want to miss a sound. Ready? From Her To Eternity begins with a dark and dour (and very personalized) covor of Leonard Cohen's Avalanche. The Heartbeat guitar, pounding drums, and enthralling burried tones set the gound for a theatrical, and emotional, rollercoaster.

Know now that Nick Cave is a master of storytelling. Carrying us from our own cosy domains into the slow-paced and morose world of From Her to Eternity. Each track tells a tale, just bleeding of expression. The Bad Seeds, taking full advantage of their instruments and Cave's diverse delivery, both lyrically and musically have birthed scenes which move like acid-induced chaos; geometrically percise, completely random, and all-encompasing as it even envades your way of thinking. I can honestly say it quickly took me the he!! out of my room.

Although this slow-paced atmosphere may be uncomfortable at times, I think it is necessary to paint such a realistic picture. Songs like Saint Huck or A Box For Black Paul seemed to drag on. After some thought, and lot of re-listening, I personally believe the album on a whole benefits from this more then any damage it may have caused.

In conclusion, From Her To Eternity was one of the most interesting albums I've come across. Theatrical, enthralling, and morose- very well done. Before I finish, I want to advice to skip over In The Ghetto, The Moon Is In The Gutter, and the 1997 cut of From Her To Eternity. The original vinyl did not contain any of those songs as they all released after the LP debuted, and I think they take from the album on a whole.

17/20

Bulldog 03-28-2009 12:46 PM

It's a great album that (Saint Huck is a brilliant song), but I do think they've done better over the years, and it's not exactly one I listen to an awful lot these days.

Good review all the same. Looking forward to some more from you.

Zarko 03-28-2009 08:24 PM

Nice review... FHTE isn't one I normally crank (I'm more into the 90's) but its just a great debut for what was to come.

Schizotypic 03-28-2009 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bulldog (Post 624216)
It's a great album that (Saint Huck is a brilliant song), but I do think they've done better over the years, and it's not exactly one I listen to an awful lot these days.

Good review all the same. Looking forward to some more from you.

Saint Huck is a great song, but my favorites on the album are Cabin Fever! and From Her To Eternity. Although I think the 1997 version of it is awful in comparison to the original. The Moon Is In The Gutter is great as well, but I don't really consider it part of the album. As far as my next review- it may be about a week before it's up, I've been so packed with schoolwork!

Quote:

Originally Posted by killerball (Post 626245)
Nick Cave is the best ever. Im gonna get this.

I could send you a PM sometime today if you want, or if you have AIM that'll work too. Any Nick Cave album. Just ask through PM.

Man.. I need to start on the second review for this. I wish I was graduated and less overworked already. Sorry for the delay (lot of things came-up), It'll be done by Sunday.

Schizotypic 04-04-2009 04:40 AM

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
The Firstborn Is Dead (1985)
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...eFirstborn.jpg

Some things to ntoe before I start:
Beowulf is an Old English heroic epic poem of unknown authorship from between the 8Th to the early 11Th century. It is written in Iambic Pentameter, so it flows off the tongue like music. It tells a great story, and being the T.v of that time, was powerful enough to stain time itself. I have found after spinning The Bad Seeds first couple studio albums that Nick Cave is a writer of his own dark and twisted modernized epics. Trust me. If you spin these albums enough, you may find yourself in a completely different world.

Before I really get into The Firstborn Is Dead, I want to make a note to any Nick Cave fans who aren't familiar with his work during the 80's and are interested in looking backwards. Although I would never peak what's in store for me and my discography review by skimming the later decades, I have been told that Cave's early work can be very different then his more modern releases. Keep this in mind, and try to just let it grow on you. You won't be disappointed, these last two albums have been fantastic.
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Never judge an album by the opening track. Tupelo, as contrasting it is in its trickery, had me thinking The Firstborn Is Dead was going to be as morose and unsettling as From Her To Eternity. By the end of the fourth track, my mind just bubbling with a mesh of a deep American blues and folklore, I had learned my lesson.

Before we continue, I'm overwhelmingly compelled to first give justice to a few tracks. I've heard people talk of Tupelo being the gem of the entire album, and it baffles me. Although it does reflect some of the all-encompassing energy and chaos of From Her To Eternity- saying it's the gem of the album is to miss the album completely
(In my opinion).

The real beauty of this album, to me, started to make its impression upon the beginning of the second track. In From Her To Eternity we were taken on a slow-paced and gothic journey. The Firstborn is dead is completely different. A certain deep, southern bluesy atmosphere takes hold during Say Goodbye To The Little Girl Tree. Although the third track is not without a jolting sense of frantic mania, and the fourth feels as though there is a cult following, I feel like the entire album maintains this bluesy feel to it throughout the work. This makes for enthralling entertainment as well as a sense of flow and overall unity in the album.

I was pretty much devastated to hear through here and through there that the sharp, beautiful despair of Knockin' On Joe or the perfectly creepy, maddening blues, of Blind Lemon Jefferson is supposedly exclusive to The Firstborn Is Dead. Why such incredibly songs weren't expanded upon in future albums is a mystery to me currently, but I am eager to find out.

In any case, the second half of the album is wonderfully done as well. The track Wanted Man evolved from a song composed by Bob Dylan and Johnny Cash, which Cave was granted permission to alter the lyrics. This is really just an added treat as Dylan himself never released a studio version of the song. The Six Strings that Drew Blood is included on the CD version of the album, but not on the LP. It was the B-side of the "Tupelo" single and a re-recording of a song Cave originally recorded with The Birthday Party during the Mutiny sessions in 1982. The Last song on the album is the Single version of Tupelo, which is about the same as the original.

Not only Nick Cave should get credit for this album, of course. Although his vocals are much more then menacing and he is the lead of the band, The Bad Seeds did a phenomenal job here. Mick Harvey and Barry Adamson deserve much props for their stunning work on the drums and bass, which make up a huge aspect of the album. As well as Blixa Bargeld for his creepily bluesy guitar and back-up vocals (which alone would have me rofl), but none-the-less are a necessity.

On a whole there is much to be said about this album. Unlike the album before it, it was much less wild, frenetic, or gothic, drawing particularly on the deep well of Southern American blues and folklore. I suppose it is also to be noted that this is supposed to be a bit different, lyrically and musically, from anything else in his catalog. Slow, brooding songs like Knockin' On Joe, or Blind Lemon Jefferson (all very bluesy) and The Six Strings That Drew Blood give off a wonderfully murderous feeling, while songs like Tupelo and Train Long-Suffering have a sense of excitement and mania, and yet somehow the entire album flows beautifully. Overall it's a masterpiece of southern blues, stunning imagery, and a throbbing sense of intensity that only Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds could deliver.

20/20
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A note to everybody who hasn't washed themselves dirty in this wonderful album:
I procrastinated on this review, kept getting distracted. Oh man, you guys, I'm telling you; I was jerking myself out of something wonderful. If you can appreciate the blues, please give The Firstborn Is Dead a few good spins to grow on you. To grow on and devour you whole like the beautiful beast The Bad Seeds are turning out to be. I think my ears might be stained like this forever and the barren core of my soul is thoroughly covered with goosebumps.


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