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View Poll Results: Is Moz racist?
Well how many white guys does he have in his bands? Do the math! 3 20.00%
Nah, he's just being provocative and doesn't choose his words carefully enough 4 26.67%
Who knows? 8 53.33%
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Old 09-04-2010, 08:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Moz has sparked a new round of controversy and speculation that he's racist by saying 'You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies. in the context of talking about animal rights abuses in China. Why he couldn't have just said 'some chinese, like some people everywhere, are subhuman scum for the way they treat animals instead of libelling a whole nation is beyond me but there you go that's what he said.

Here's a few more of his eyebrow raising comments from down the years.

"all reggae is vile"

In his song Bengali in platforms he controversially sings 'life is hard enough when you belong here'. Thereby implying the character in the song doesn't belong in the uk.


Q: Do you think people are innately racist?
Moz-"Yes. I don't want to sound horrible or pessimistic but I don't really think, for instance, black people and white people will ever really get on or like each other. I don't really think they ever will."


In 1992 he appeared on stage wrapped in a union jack the same year he released a song called The national front disco, which resulted in him being bottled off the stage and a front cover headline in the next issue of NME headlined 'Is Morrissey racist?'

In 2007 he did his first interview with NME for 15 yrs. which caused controversy and litigation. During the interview he said '"Britain's a terribly negative place. And it hammers people down and it pulls you back and it prevents you. Also, with the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears."

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Old 09-04-2010, 08:37 AM   #2 (permalink)
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"Well how many white guys does he have in his bands? Do the math!"

So does that mean every band that only has white members are racist bigots?
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Old 09-04-2010, 08:42 AM   #3 (permalink)
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"Well how many white guys does he have in his bands? Do the math!"

So does that mean every band that only has white members are racist bigots?
Guess so, because I don't see a yes option...
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Old 09-04-2010, 08:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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"Well how many white guys does he have in his bands? Do the math!"

So does that mean every band that only has white members are racist bigots?
it wasn't meant literally.
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Old 09-04-2010, 08:58 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Oh, witty poll option - got ya!


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In 2007 he did his first interview with NME for 15 yrs. which caused controversy and litigation. During the interview he said '"Britain's a terribly negative place. And it hammers people down and it pulls you back and it prevents you. Also, with the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears."
Glad he cleared that up. I personally don't think he's a racist, I just think he says what's on his mind and doesn't beat around the bush. He's not politically correct, but I don't think he's a racist. Although it wouldn't surprise me if he was. Either way, I'm not fussed.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:09 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Moz has sparked a new round of controversy and speculation that he's racist by saying 'You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies. in the context of talking about animal rights abuses in China. Why he couldn't have just said 'some chinese, like some people everywhere, are subhuman scum for the way they treat animals instead of libelling a whole nation is beyond me but there you go that's what he said.

Here's a few more of his eyebrow raising comments from down the years.

"all reggae is vile"

In his song Bengali in platforms he controversially sings 'life is hard enough when you belong here'. Thereby implying the character in the song doesn't belong in the uk.


Q: Do you think people are innately racist?
Moz-"Yes. I don't want to sound horrible or pessimistic but I don't really think, for instance, black people and white people will ever really get on or like each other. I don't really think they ever will."


In 1992 he appeared on stage wrapped in a union jack the same year he released a song called The national front disco, which resulted in him being bottled off the stage and a front cover headline in the next issue of NME headlined 'Is Morrissey racist?'

In 2007 he did his first interview with NME for 15 yrs. which caused controversy and litigation. During the interview he said '"Britain's a terribly negative place. And it hammers people down and it pulls you back and it prevents you. Also, with the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears."
His quote in full;

“Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can’t help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies.”

Note the emphasis on "You can’t help but feel..."
Taken out of context? He's made no secret of his stance on how this country treats animals.

A point about your "eyebrow raising comments".

"All reggae is vile." Hardly racist. Sounds like a man offering a personal musical opinion to me.

This next bit is interesting;

Q: Do you think people are innately racist?
Moz-"Yes. I don't want to sound horrible or pessimistic but I don't really think, for instance, black people and white people will ever really get on or like each other. I don't really think they ever will."


That sounds like a man giving an honest appraisal. Notice how he answers the question. Not once does he refer to himself.

The song 'National Front Disco'. People write songs about all kinds of subjects. The fact that he wrote this song doesn't mean it follows that he agrees with the subject matter.

The litigation you refer to was Morrissey suing the NME.
Why's that then? Could it be because he's not racist?

"Britain's a terribly negative place. And it hammers people down and it pulls you back and it prevents you. Also, with the issue of immigration, it's very difficult because although I don't have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears."
Sounds pretty accurate to me. Same could be said about most countries.

Just in case anyone isn't sure, here's a quote from Morrissey in context;

“I abhor racism and oppression or cruelty of any kind and will not let this pass without being absolutely clear and emphatic with regard to what my position is…Racism is beyond common sense and I believe it has no place in our society.”

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Old 09-04-2010, 09:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The whole NME thing was a massive stitch up and a load of bullshit.

In fact I'd go as far as saying that it was one of the main reasons I never bought that rag.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:17 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I'd vote if you changed the option; Nah, he's just being provocative and doesn't choose his words carefully enough

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Nah, he's just being provocative and chooses his words very carefully.
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Old 09-04-2010, 09:18 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Or...the media love to jump on this guys back by twisting everything he says.
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:04 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Nah, he's just being provocative and chooses his words very carefully.
Agreed. He has strong opinions and states them bluntly then the media twist if further to increase the hype and sell more issues. Regarding National Front Disco and Bengali in Platforms, a lot of his other songs also use irony to emphasise a point (Barbarism Begins at Home? It's plainly not encouraging people to beat their kids, coming from a pacifist who won't eat meat). He's also not afraid of ignoring political correctness, using hyperbole and has a certain degree of arrogance which means he's the sort of person people love to hate.
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