Pixies

million dollar basher · 10-15-2009, 03:01 PM

Yeah, but we're talking influence here. Radiohead has definitely influenced groups that came out of the 90's/00's. Muse is probably the most obvious. But their influence hasn't been as far-reaching or as lasting as the Pixies. Radiohead is without a doubt a very influential force, but the Pixies really set the pace. I could easily be proven wrong, and I'm waiting for people to chime in with points that I hadn't anticipated, but I still feel like the Pixies were a massive inspirational pressence.

debaserr · 10-15-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by million dollar basher

Yeah, but we're talking influence here. Radiohead has definitely influenced groups that came out of the 90's/00's. Muse is probably the most obvious. But their influence hasn't been as far-reaching or as lasting as the Pixies. Radiohead is without a doubt a very influential force, but the Pixies really set the pace. I could easily be proven wrong, and I'm waiting for people to chime in with points that I hadn't anticipated, but I still feel like the Pixies were a massive inspirational pressence.

It is hard to top Pixies in terms of influence, I agree.

Grotesque Head · 10-15-2009, 04:11 PM

I'd say Radiohead probably are slightly more influential worldwide than Pixies, mainly because they've got more albums out. Don't think it's really that important though.

Also, Muse are nowhere close to having the same impact on music as Pixies or Radiohead. Or several other 90's and 00's acts for that matter (The Strokes, Weezer, Blur, Oasis, Pavement, Coldplay to name a very small portion).

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 10-15-2009, 04:32 PM

I think he was saying Muse was influenced by Radiohead. I don't think Radiohead has, as a whole, done more to influence rock music than the Pixies however.

Grotesque Head · 10-15-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Conan

I think he was saying Muse was influenced by Radiohead. I don't think Radiohead has, as a whole, done more to influence rock music than the Pixies however.

Yeah, you're right - I misread the post - sorry Million Dollar Basher.

million dollar basher · 10-16-2009, 11:47 AM

No worries, Grotesque Head.
You bring up a good point though. Radiohead did spark a lot of worldwide creativity, whereas I was focusing mainly on the progression of American rock in the 90's and 00's.

music_phantom13 · 10-19-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Grotesque Head

I'd say Radiohead probably are slightly more influential worldwide than Pixies, mainly because they've got more albums out. Don't think it's really that important though.

Also, Muse are nowhere close to having the same impact on music as Pixies or Radiohead. Or several other 90's and 00's acts for that matter (The Strokes, Weezer, Blur, Oasis, Pavement, Coldplay to name a very small portion).

R.E.M. had a huge influence around then. Also, I don't think a lot of people think of My Bloody Valentine when thinking about this, but didn't they pretty much create and popularize the ethereal layers of sound and buried vocals? Still, I guess they might not be on par with the Pixies. I mean you could ask pretty much every great rock or alternative band from the early to mid 90's who influenced them and I think Pixies would be the common name.

million dollar basher · 10-19-2009, 02:00 PM

Absolutely, and you're right about Radiohead. They've got longevity on their side.
R.E.M. definitely had a huge influencial pressence in the 90s, but their's was more generic. Buck and Stipe definitely carried on in the Jagger Richards, dual-leading man tradition (and I certainly prefer that duo to Bono and The Edge), and they filled the roles well, but Oasis, in my opinion, really propelled alternative rock to new heights. There was an endless deluge of pop-rock bands following in the tradition of Oasis after they'd exploded, both here in the States and abroad. I mean, you can still hear their influence in the pop/rock stuff on the radio today. But they layed the foundation for pop balladeers--The Pixies set the rules for the underdog groups that eventually came up through the charts...

debaserr · 10-19-2009, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by million dollar basher

Absolutely, and you're right about Radiohead. They've got longevity on their side.
R.E.M. definitely had a huge influencial pressence in the 90s, but their's was more generic. Buck and Stipe definitely carried on in the Jagger Richards, dual-leading man tradition (and I certainly prefer that duo to Bono and The Edge), and they filled the roles well, but Oasis, in my opinion, really propelled alternative rock to new heights. There was an endless deluge of pop-rock bands following in the tradition of Oasis after they'd exploded, both here in the States and abroad. I mean, you can still hear their influence in the pop/rock stuff on the radio today. But they layed the foundation for pop balladeers--The Pixies set the rules for the underdog groups that eventually came up through the charts...

oasis?!? no way jose.

loveissucide · 10-19-2009, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by million dollar basher

Absolutely, and you're right about Radiohead. They've got longevity on their side.
R.E.M. definitely had a huge influencial pressence in the 90s, but their's was more generic. Buck and Stipe definitely carried on in the Jagger Richards, dual-leading man tradition (and I certainly prefer that duo to Bono and The Edge), and they filled the roles well, but Oasis, in my opinion, really propelled alternative rock to new heights. There was an endless deluge of pop-rock bands following in the tradition of Oasis after they'd exploded, both here in the States and abroad. I mean, you can still hear their influence in the pop/rock stuff on the radio today. But they layed the foundation for pop balladeers--The Pixies set the rules for the underdog groups that eventually came up through the charts...

Actually that's bollocks.REM's influence in the 1980's was defining how what became known as "college rock" would sound by reinventing classic pop songcraft for the post-punk era and by establishing a touring circuit which would form the backbone of the indie scene.
Firstly,I fail to see how Oasis' music fits into "alternative rock" at all.Lyrically and sonically it has nothing in common whatsoever with the post-punk from which alternative rock stems, and if anything they're a traditionalist rock band.The template for contemporary pop balladeers was set by Jeff Buckley on Grace and Radiohead on The Bends, with most groups that followed cloning their synthesis of electric and acoustic structures.
Pixies did not set the rules for "underdog" groups.The Nirvana loud/quiet loud template is descended from them, but Pixies themselves were very heavily influenced by Husker Du in terms of songcraft, and loud/quiet/loud was deployed by British post-punk groups that followed in Gang Of Four's wake.

The main impact of Pixies is that they were, along with REM, what blazed a trail for the huge commercial success of Alternative Rock by suceeding where the Replacements and Husker Du had failed in crossing over to a mainstream audience and proving the commercial viability of the music.

10-15-2009, 04:11 PM	#353 (permalink)
Grotesque Head Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: England Posts: 121	I'd say Radiohead probably are slightly more influential worldwide than Pixies, mainly because they've got more albums out. Don't think it's really that important though. Also, Muse are nowhere close to having the same impact on music as Pixies or Radiohead. Or several other 90's and 00's acts for that matter (The Strokes, Weezer, Blur, Oasis, Pavement, Coldplay to name a very small portion). __________________ Last.FM

10-15-2009, 03:01 PM	#351 (permalink)
million dollar basher Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: trapped in a basement Posts: 184	Yeah, but we're talking influence here. Radiohead has definitely influenced groups that came out of the 90's/00's. Muse is probably the most obvious. But their influence hasn't been as far-reaching or as lasting as the Pixies. Radiohead is without a doubt a very influential force, but the Pixies really set the pace. I could easily be proven wrong, and I'm waiting for people to chime in with points that I hadn't anticipated, but I still feel like the Pixies were a massive inspirational pressence.

10-15-2009, 04:32 PM	#354 (permalink)
~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,538	I think he was saying Muse was influenced by Radiohead. I don't think Radiohead has, as a whole, done more to influence rock music than the Pixies however.

10-16-2009, 11:47 AM	#356 (permalink)
million dollar basher Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: trapped in a basement Posts: 184	No worries, Grotesque Head. You bring up a good point though. Radiohead did spark a lot of worldwide creativity, whereas I was focusing mainly on the progression of American rock in the 90's and 00's.

10-19-2009, 02:00 PM	#358 (permalink)
million dollar basher Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: trapped in a basement Posts: 184	Absolutely, and you're right about Radiohead. They've got longevity on their side. R.E.M. definitely had a huge influencial pressence in the 90s, but their's was more generic. Buck and Stipe definitely carried on in the Jagger Richards, dual-leading man tradition (and I certainly prefer that duo to Bono and The Edge), and they filled the roles well, but Oasis, in my opinion, really propelled alternative rock to new heights. There was an endless deluge of pop-rock bands following in the tradition of Oasis after they'd exploded, both here in the States and abroad. I mean, you can still hear their influence in the pop/rock stuff on the radio today. But they layed the foundation for pop balladeers--The Pixies set the rules for the underdog groups that eventually came up through the charts...