and i'll be sure to pay close attention to what you have to say...
yes, you and about 5.9 bilion other people are not impressed by some bands, there are however a couple of milion coldplay, travis, keane, bloc party, interpol, the bravery, the arcade fire, the killers and other fans out there that make them popular in spite of the other 5.9 bilion .....
i'm bitching about you being overly negative not about peoples opinions ( just yours )......and hookers has better taste in music then you
no, just crap music, i like plenty of music before 2002 , i think you meant 80's music, and yes you're right , i AM alergic to 80's music...

Good

Those 5.9 billion people aren`t here to talk about music ... I am

I`m not negetive about peoples opinions at all , I say what I think of a band & thats it. If anything you`re the one who is negetive about MY opinions seeing you`ve done nothing than bitch about them.I`ve given plenty of examples of me not being negetive. Want some more? OK here you go
I said I was wrong about The Arcade Fire & that I rather like them
I said the Kaiser Chiefs have a few good songs
I said the same about Franz Ferdinand
I`ve constantly praised The Mars Volta
Ditto And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead
I`ve praised The Ravonettes to high heaven
I`ve said that I Like British Sea Power
I`ve said that I like the Little Barrie album
I`ve praised The Black Keys
I`ve even said The Bravery have a couple of good songs & the I liked a couple of the Killers songs until they were overplayed on the radio & I got sick of them
I`ve said that Hope Of The States are one of the best new bands i`ve ever heard ......ALL newish guitar bands from over the past couple of years. Is that enough for you?

Hookers has better taste in music than me?
Personally I don`t care what Hookers listens to , thats up to him. When you say has better taste do you really mean 'likes more bands that you agree with? '

See how easy it is to resort to stereotypes when judging someone , if you don`t like it being done to you then don`t do it to me

this must have happened when i was high because i shure ass hell don't remember you saying the aforementioned things, especialy aobut the arcade fire ,the killers and franz ferdinand , all i remember you saying about all of them is that they're boring.....
absolutely!
i've edited that part, look above....
and i don't think i was stereotyping you, i just don't like your taste in music

Are you correlating popularity with talent? Think about that for a second, that's a bit naive.

Music journalists on popular magazines and websites really sold the f*ck out of the new wave revival, so people ate it up. Even if you specifically don't feed off their reviews, the rest of the world collectively does. Most of those bands received enormous amounts of attention from those journalists, and music outlets and fans bought every word of it, whether or not there was actually anything there that was done before or was anything special to begin with. Even if you hate the 80s, it was the original 80s and 70s new wave movement that those bands were inspired by to begin with.
I understand you defending one of your favorite bands, but don't you find it a bit ironic that more than half the people who contributed to this thread haven't even heard of more than one Pavement song? It is ironic, because Pavement receives just as much attention from indie enthusiasts from the same sources that praise Interpol, except Pavement have nearly 10 years as predecessors. Whether or not that matters, you have to admit it's a bit funny (funny, as in sad) that Interpol is popular enough for people to not even care who the other band in this topic is. Try this on for size: 90% of the time, I talk about bands that people don't even bother to care about on these boards, how do you think I feel? You're defending a band to what seems like the death, and you have plenty of people(to say the least) on your side.

I've read some of the most extremist things on Funeral, from being the best album of 2004 to being the best album in the past two decades. I'm not a fan, but out of the new wave revivalists, I think they're the best, and I do listen to a couple of their songs.

And, how can anyone not praise the Black keys? :)

listen, i just think we should agree to disagree, i just can't understand how you can think that, granted these new wave bands are getting more exposure throught the media which means that a lot more people are able to get to know their stuff, but the popularity of the band depends on weather or not a lot of people like the music after hearing it...i get the feeling that you think that people listen to certain bands because some magazine told them they're really cool, my opinion is that they might check them out ( which is the case with me ) but if they don't like the music they won't listen to it , if a band has sold a couple of milion albums that ( in my opinion ) means they're not total crap, sometimes i say that a certain band is crap but i do agnowledge the fact that a lot of people like them and i don't think they shouldn't sell as many albums ( like you seem to think about certain bands ) because that falls into the category of musical taste and musical tastes can differ quite a bit and are essentially undebatable...( it's a bit frustrating when i can't get my point across )
( i can so see urban jumping in here to contradict me..to save you the trouble, yes, i know i have debated peoples taste in music, yours in particular, but that's more for the sake of an argument, if it sounds good to you that's fine with me....)

They`ve just re released their self titled mini album from 2003

I actually think it`s better than funeral

Yeah but all 3 of us are basically saying the same thing in the end- we all have our opinions, let's live with it.
I'm not sure if I'm trying to say those bands don't deserve fame and fortune, I just feel there are plenty of other acts out there that deserve more (for example, adidass I think you would agree, why aren't more people talking about Aqueduct? or the Faint?!)

yes, i would have to agree, but i just get the feeling that urban has this "i'm sure they suck" attitude and is far too judgmental when he listens to new bands, and i think you aren't, that's all....
and why DOESN'T the faint get as much exposure?! their type of music seems to be really popular at the moment....what can i say, there's always going to be certain bands that will fall through the cracks, i never would have heard of the black keys if it wasn't for a friend of mine that's really into the blues, they will never be as popular as the white stripes but i think that has something to do with their managers and them selves...

Thats how I am , I`ve done the whole listening to something time & time again trying to like it far too many times & quite frankly I don`t see why I should.If I hear something I like then i`ll praise it. If i`m mostly hearing stuff I don`t like , or don`t like the sound of why should I bother with it.

One of the reasons I post is to balance things out , if I see a thread asking opinions on a band I don`t really like & most people in it are praising them i`ll explain WHY I don`t like that band.

You keep saying that I say the same thing over & over again , and thats usually because there is a reason for that. It`s because the points are just as valid for one band as there are another. The lack of originality right now is almost painful.

It used to be that i`d be able to pick up a magazine or listen to the radio to find something new & original. But since the death of John Peel & the mainstream absorbtion of everything that calls itself indie thats no longer the case. And quite honestly I don`t have time going through hundreds of obscure bands to find one I do like.

I still discover plenty of bands for myself but not all of them are new, in fact over the past 6 months i`d say none of them were. I`ve recently been discovering old music such as Soft Machine & listening to a lot of old Hawkwind , Talking Heads & The Pretty Things. If I started a Soft Machine thread how many people do you think would respond to it?
Virtually none , simply because they`re not the current indie darlings that you only ever seem to post about. So before you criticise my tastes and my reasons for posting look at your own.

Haha when i started this thread i didnt expect this kinda thing to break out

Looks like someone else nearly failed english.

Hmmm...Indie Goth seems to bring out the bad-ass in Musicbanter members...Id expect that kinda behaviour in the emo section but here...Shocking carry-on!

/\ what?

Just the 2 page long scrap prior to the last three posts is all...

Ok it wasnt so much scrap as an eyeliner-fuelled fracas...Jeez its The Killers -v- The Bravery all over again...

anyone who thinks Interpol are better should have their head examined. While I do like Interpol (not so much there last album though), Pavement are one of the bands that defined Indie and have had tons of influence on other bands. Pavement are (were) much better live too...

I can only assume that anyone that chooses Interpol is quite young and wasn't around during Pavements day.

*has head examined*

Maybe you are right though...While I have heard all of Pavements material, its true i was never around to see them alive, or see the full influence of the band while they where still alive and kicking, but then I still prefer older bands like Joy Division, or Echo And The Bunnymen over Interpol and Editors, I just think theres more emphasis placed on Pavements influence rather than their music.

I prefer Joy Division or Echo more then both myself too... but Interpol v Pavement is a no brainer... Pavement were a lot more original as well (no one said Pavement sounded just like x whereas Interpol are constantly compared to Joy Division)

I'm fairly sure that Pavement were very closely compared to The Fall, it's evident mainly in their earlier stuff though. They were still one of the most creative musical forces ever to set foot in a studio.

There are Fall influences in Pavement but i`d hardly call them a copy

i'd hardly call interpol a copy of joy division either....

oh i would. and yes, pavement over interpol any day.
(btw, malkmus' stuff with the jicks are rather good is it not?)

Im not to big on the jicks but im sure theyll grow on me, but still pavement are vastly becoming one of the greatest bands in my mind

odd how I have a lot of Malkmus stuff and seen him live but still don't rate them much.. will play their stuff again soon to check it out...

I think I prefer the Silver Jews over the Jicks, Berman's lyrics are in most cases amazing and Malkmus' guitar work seems a bit more focused.
Face The Truth is probably my favourite Jicks album, damn those synths are funky.

ian curtis and joy division

The relevance is astounding.

pavement better, interpol still good

pavemento any day.

interpolio are just don't have what the joy did.

pavement, interpol are basicly a poor mans joy division, and i dont even like joy division all that much.

pavement is good but not very original at all. just about all of slanted and enchanted sounds like either sonic youth. the fall,rem or some other band from just before their time

i like interpol too, theyre by far the best of the new dance rock bands(killers and the bravery suck). but yeah the joy division influence is there in full effect. i think i hear a little Gang of Four too. do i not?

I suppose you can find GOF in the cocktail of any new New Wave band these days but the Echo and the Bunnymen/ Bauhaus side of things is definitely more prominent in an Interpol Manhattan....

This pretentious muso moment is courtesy of the Indie Bar Kid

how is this even an arguement. interpol has two albums, one of which is widely considered as good. pavement not only came out with two of the most classic indie albums(slanted and crooked rain) as well as plenty other solid ones and are huge influences in todays indie rock. pavements better, period.

how could you say that pavements lyrics are not original. nobody wrote like that before malkmus.

pavement

i'd like to nicely say you need your head examined....

I haven't heard much pavement but I'm fairly partial to Interpol. They're very catchy.

I'm going to have to go with Pavement just because of Slanted and Enchanted. I don't really like any of their other albums all that much but that one album still manages to be far better than anything Interpol has done.

Interpol, without a doubt.