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But seriously, you can only preach aslong as people wanna hear it. I haver friends that I should deny because my religion shuns what they do in our lives. I know for a fact that my god may even deny me, but my love for him is always there, not because of fear of hell, but because I still get warmth from my faith, or hearing gospel, and aslong as thats there, nothing will change. People knew this thread would bug people. It was never going to reach anyone. But the same way I cant make you believe in Him, also means that you cant break my love. |
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It's all about showing compassion. What good is faith in the God of love without love? |
I know perfectly well what it means to have faith.
Faith can mean other things than believing in God and in believing that Jesus Christ is the savior. You can have faith in other things. How strongly do you believe that your belifs are correct? Probably very strongly Well, any Jewish, or Buddhist person believe just as strongly that their beliefs are correct. Who are you(in general, not RAR or Vanilla) to tell them that their belifs are wrong and that yours are right. That is wrong to do. Many christians have said to me "If you have any friends that arent Christian, tell them about Jesus. Because if they dont convert, they are going to go to hell. And you wouldnt want your friends in hell" I was like, are serious, this guy is whack. Who is he to telll others that their belifs are wrong. |
Amen to that. :)
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Have we ever put you down for not believing as well? No. |
CNN.com has more on this; An Italian court is tackling Jesus -- and whether the Roman Catholic Church may be breaking the law by teaching that he existed 2,000 years ago. The case pits against each other two men in their 70s, who are from the same central Italian town and even went to the same seminary school in their teenage years. The defendant, Enrico Righi, went on to become a priest writing for the parish newspaper. The plaintiff, Luigi Cascioli, became a vocal atheist who, after years of legal wrangling, is set to get his day in court later this month. "I started this lawsuit because I wanted to deal the final blow against the Church, the bearer of obscurantism and regression," Cascioli told Reuters. Cascioli says Righi, and by extension the whole Church, broke two Italian laws. The first is "Abuso di Credulita Popolare" (Abuse of Popular Belief) meant to protect people against being swindled or conned. The second crime, he says, is "Sostituzione di Persona," or impersonation. "The Church constructed Christ upon the personality of John of Gamala," Cascioli claimed, referring to the 1st century Jew who fought against the Roman army. A court in Viterbo will hear from Righi, who has yet to be indicted, at a January 27 preliminary hearing meant to determine whether the case has enough merit to go forward. "In my book, 'The Fable of Christ,' I present proof Jesus did not exist as a historic figure. He must now refute this by showing proof of Christ's existence," Cascioli said. Speaking to Reuters, Righi, 76, sounded frustrated by the case and baffled as to why Cascioli -- who, like him, came from the town of Bagnoregio -- singled him out in his crusade against the Church. "We're both from Bagnoregio, both of us. We were in seminary together. Then he took a different path and we didn't see each other anymore," Righi said. "Since I'm a priest, and I write in the parish newspaper, he is now suing me because I 'trick' the people." Righi claims there is plenty of evidence to support the existence of Jesus, including historical texts. He also claims that justice is on his side. The judge presiding over the hearing has tried, repeatedly, to dismiss the case -- prompting appeals from Cascioli. "Cascioli says he didn't exist. And I said that he did," he said. "The judge will decide if Christ exists or not." Even Cascioli admits that the odds are against him, especially in Roman Catholic Italy. "It would take a miracle to win," he joked. |
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I put all my positive energy into my cars because I believe that one day I will have that best in show trophy on my mantle.That is what makes me happy. PS These sort of threads will always end up in arguments as will political threads. PPS Vanilla, I just used your post as a reference point so no offence |
Does god exist? Who knows. But if he does ... does he deserve our worship? I would argue not, certainly not. He's all knowing, all powerful. He created a flawed existence, he set them boundaries that he knew they would break (because he had created them that way). He knows exactly what effects his actions will make, and they're certainly not leaving the world in a good state (just look at Africa, China and most poor areas of any country). That God was and is able to end this, but instead he allows it to continue and perpetuate itself and then strut his stuff claiming to be loving? Bullshit. If he exists, he doesn't even deserve recognition, let alone love. To say "but he has a higher plan for us!" - I'm sorry but what? Do you think people homeless, starving and with AIDs that they were born with care about his higher plan? Do you honestly think that his higher plan is even necessary considering that he's omnipotent and omniscient? He can do whatever he wants, so he should pull his finger out and sort things out because a few preachy christians with good intent certainly aren't going to solve everything any time soon. Either God is as described in the Bible, and a complete bastard to top. Or God is not as incredible as it's claimed and spends his time with a pumped up ego and a cocktail on the beach.
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And God gave man a unique gift that he gave no other of his creations, the gift of choice. WE could end starvation in Africa, but our goverments CHOOSE not to. Why should he get involved if our own people don't have the compassion to help each other.
Religion is like music. I don't knock a band until I hear their tunes. It's ok to say you dont believe, but dont knock my God unti you read the Bible, it's called courtesy. |
I understand your frustration Fal, but Alan said it right, man can choose. Our governments choose to make it look like they care about Africa when in fact, I doubt they do.
If it affects you so deeply move there and spend your life helping them. and AIDS babies do not have any choice at all. But seeing as how I am not God I have no idea why things are like that. And I get angry as well, but I know not why things are as they are. I'd type more but I'm leaving shortly and don't want to spend all my time on this thread right now. |
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So, maybe you should be the one reading the Bible. Because that's just one example of hundreds of occurences of hypocrisy and contradictions in that book. |
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Didn't God give man everything? So why make something that is flawed? Shoddy craftmanship God! :confused: |
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Kurt: he gave us the gift of choice and made us flawed knowing full well that we would make the wrong choices. Loving? Hardly. We would not need to help others if he had not put us into a perpetuating situation where others will always need help. We have institutions that can sort it but if God is as loving as he claims, we shouldn't need them. Who says I haven't read the bible? I had the damn thing driven into me. But then again, "God" "gave" me free choice. I'll knock the **** out of him if I want. |
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^He didnt make us flawed, because we wasnt created to know sin, but we recognised right from wrong when Adam and Eve ate from the tree. If we didnt recognice right from wrong, and lived in paradise, it would be impossible to sin. But because we disobeyed one simple rule, we were cast from paradise, but still he loved us. And since after that we could sin, he gave us twelve commandments, so we knew where not to **** up.
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It's like going "I know that if X and Y occurs you will kill a man. However, I trust your decision to not kill said man (though I know you will). Neither do I plan to do anything out to help you in regards to X and Y. And you don't know that it's destined to happen, so you can't realise what's going on. Infact I haven't said this - you don't know you're going to kill a man, but I do." |
You know, its not like God had a plan and knew that it would happen or anything...
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God knows the future and has been passing it on to a select few through the ages. ie; The book of Revelations was revealed and how the world would end with the Apocalypse. It seems to me, that God as a designer, botched the job in the first place and has been papering over the cracks ever since. Or it's all intentional. Either way I don't get it. |
Then please explain to me how the world came to be without a higher power.
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The revalation book isnt how the world WILL end, its how the world would end if man could not change his ways. If it was how it was going to end he wouldnt have shown it to one man to preach. But he knew it could be changed if his people came back to him, prooving again that he still loved his people.
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Alexonfire...If I knew that... ... :pimp: |
No, got that wrong haha. Revalation is when God sweeps away all sinners and takes his children to heaven. If you accept God into your life, he accepts you. If not..oh well.
Luke 21: 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. |
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Would you put a chocolate cake on a table, put a 5 year old in the room and tell him not to eat the cake and then leave the room? If you would, you're a ****ing idiot. God either did not exist as stated in the Bible (in which case there's no point in worshipping him because you don't know what of him is true or not), or he's a ****ing idiot (in which case, if you worship him, you're as much of an idiot as he is). Like I say, I don't care if God exists or not, but worshipping him is near sighted. Quote:
Out of interest, was it free will that we ate the apple? I mean, he knew exactly what would lead us to eating the apple and knew exactly how to stop it. He put us in a situation that he knew we couldn't resist and he set the ball rolling. He did nothing to stop it after that, so was it free choice? Or did we choose to do it because he left us with no other expected options (which arguably isn't free choice anyway). |
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You said it was'nt how the world would end...it is. |
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Where's the real sin...just a thought. |
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My belief is those who are religious have believe god created the universe and those who are not believe there's a more scientific reason behind it.
Why spend hours arguing the point when it's patently obvious neither side is going to back down. You'd have better results teaching a goldfish to mow your lawns. |
I want to know how if a higher power didn't create the universe what did? or how? No one is giving me an answer on this and i think its bull none of you have backed up your beliefs on this yet. Keep in mind i havn't read all the thread though.
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Hey presto ^ |
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