I know that, tis because I studied R.E for three years, and have an ALevel in the topic. And I still find christianity to be the most amazing faith, and the most attacked in the western society.

can sumone tell me how a virgin can hav a baby.....i meen.......wtf is that.....

You only loose your virginity by having sex. (Well, actually, a womans virginty is defined by a thin layer of skin covering the vagina, which can be broken easily so by definition allot of women who haven't had sex, have lost their virginity) Since Mary obviously didn't have sex with God, she was a virgin. It goes back to the whole faith thing.

Have faith in yourself instead of relying on something/someone else to guide you.Only you and nobody else are responsible for how your life has unfolded so far and how it will keep unfolding.

As an aside.Watching how the mining catastrophe turned out the other night I noticed they were all praising god to start with, but later when they found out the sad truth one woman said it was gods way.
Now you'll all flame me for this, but why have faith in something that kills you're loved ones in the blink of an eye.
If he does exist, he's got a really sick, twisted sense of humour cause that simply isn't funny:(

Haha I need to check back on that when the judge says, "There is a God/There is no God".
There's one man with a lose/lose situation infront of him.

Wow, cheeseman is right you took what i said way out of context.
I just said if someone can't give an actual logical reason to how it was created.
Then they shouldn't really diss others.
On that last statement i said I HAD FAITH IN IT, not you all had to believe it.

http://musicbanter.com/showpost.php?...&postcount=109

See that post for a more well written out detailed version of what i meant.


Yes they are guilty of that, but i've seen athiests do the exact same thing.

according to my dad, (fundamentalist christian extrordinare) god allows things like that to happen because we get outselves into those situations, and the consequences are a test of our faith. if we all start blaming god for disasters we won't learn anything from them. but personally, if thats the explanation for it, i think god's a hardass.

And this is why I think most arguements take place. I truly believe that Science is amazing and explains alot of things that are very important. I believe that evolution and adaptation do happen and did happen (not to the same extent as Darwin and other Evolutionist, but the proof is undeniable. Plus, it makes sense).

Religion in itself is a terrible thing. Well, maybe not terrible, but it has turned into a terrible thing. Any belief structure in which one man places himself above other men as "more holy" or "closer to God" will ultimatly lead to a power trip in which innocents will get harmed (the Crusades being the most prominant example, closely followed by radical Muslim "freedom fighters" aka terrorist).

I believe that linking Science and Faith are A) impossible and B) unwise to attempt. I'm not saying that logic and faith aren't intermixable however.

Consider this if you will: Life is the only thing that begets life. True? Of course it is. It has been proven. There is no spontaneous genesis. So where did life come from? The "primordial soup"? Was there some random gathering of protiens that someone formed RNA which combined to form DNA which wrote itself the code in order to create a cell? To say that having God create life is not illogical. This is where faith ties in. To say that because Science hasn't found the answer yet means that God didn't do it is illogical.

I'm using this example to show you that Christians (well some at least) do pay attention in Biology and Physics class. I know, understand, and apply scientific theories to my faith.

and Fal, in that last bit you said that because Science cannot prove nor disprove religion (or to me more specific, the existance of God, the birth of Christ, the Resurrection, etc.) doesn't mean that Religion is true. On the flip side (and this uses your own arguement "against" you ) it doesn't say that it isn't true.

There are people who claim to believe in the same God I do, and who claim to follow his laws and live like he wants them too, and on the whole I find that to be true. There are however people who are lying through there teeth. It's sad and aggravating to me as a Christian that some crazy person can claim to the same truths I do and yet stray so far from them. I say that they are not like me and do not represent my faith.

Alot of people are making generalizations about Christians and what they believe. Some might be correct and others not. I ask that you talk to someone who claims to be a Christian and decide about them whether or not you agree. Don't apply it to the whole.

did any of that make sense?

Matter? Energy?

Do you not follow the basic laws of nature? I'm not asking this in an attacking way at all, I'm merely wondering if you forgot about these things when you typed that.

You're asking, what came first, the chicken or the egg.
You're asking what happens when an unstoppable force meets and immovable object.
You're asking can God create a rock so heavy he can't lift it.

These questions like your own are loaded.

I believe that God was always there but not in the same dimensions that we think of. He is outside our time. For God, all times are now and now is no time. Therefore he always has and always will exist.

Hehe that's cool man, I just get ****ed off when people I'm not even trying to talk with try and make a big arguement out of every little word I say. I say a comment directed at Christians, and I get an atheist going spare at me! Sorry for breathing.

I don't think that.
However, I think it is unwise to label faiths and seperate peoples based on them.
Anyone can be a scientific believer in a God.

Very much so, but I'd rather put my faith in something that seeks the truth as opposed to something which states it.

Escuse me! Where did I say I was an athiest?

Alright, you got me on that one:)

Hehe, never said I was talking about you big boy. But I better not go on about it or the same thing will happen all over again!

Just seemed coincidental as my post was quoted.

Lol nah, I was responding to your post but being general. If that makes sense?

Yeah,I see what you mean, just this whole "you're an athiest" thing is wearing a little thin.

Hehe good to see someone agrees. :D

That I'm not an athiest?

Cheeseman you're confuzzling me now! :-/

What am I meant to be agreeing with you on?

I was agreeing with you, the Athiest wearing thin comment.

I'm one of them.

Alot of people believe in the existence of Jesus Christ, it is the belief that He is God's son that differs.

are you a ****-n idiot? just have to ask.

Pedant. PE-DANT. Find a dictionary.