Sexism now, Eh? ;)

Oh I'm sorry. But the point remains.

finally a post of yours i can agree wholeheartedly with :)

The bottom line is, for me, racism in its most basic form is any kind of derrogatory or driscriminatory actions based on race. I do agree that when one racial group goes to the extreme of exerting control over another race that it is more serious than someone shouting a racial slur, but they're both different forms of racism. historically, racism has been used by MANY different races to put minority groups in a place of extortion and submission. China did it with Tibet, Iraq did it with the kurds, turkey did it with armenia, ethiopia and eritrea were locked in a racial war for years, rwanda committed one of the most autrocious racial genocides in history. in no way is this kind of racism reserved for whites, and it's absurd to say it is.

But, it's a simple concept, anyone can be racist. The minority, the majority, anyone.

It almost seems you're predjudice against Sucessful White people, RHYMEFEST.

It's not reserved for whites on a worldwide scale, and I would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement if it came from anyone. But racism, if I was going to use the definition that I feel best represents it, can only be exerted by the majority/people in power, and in the case of the United States, that is whites.

Other forms of racial prejudice certainly exists, but they are just that, racial prejudice, but not institutionalized racism since the racism would have no means of institution if there was no power behind it. Phew.

No, you're oversimplifying it. Anyone can be prejudiced/discriminatory, however it takes a source of power behind it to transcend into racism.

What?

For second I'll pretend to agree with your suggestion just for the sake of a question. If 5 people of the same different race beat me up and kill me because I'm white is that racism because in that occasion they were the majority?

yeah i'm out. i'll accept that you're not gonna change you're argument, and we're all pretty much just repeating ourselves at this point. plus I've gotta concentrate on my job search so I can get myself out of debt.

We've been repeating the same argument for 17 Pages.
Nothing's changed.

Another question what determines majority? Your neighborhood? Your city? Your state? Your Nation?

Didn't hiu ask that a few pages ago?
I'll reply just like I did for him. Look, I read everything that you guys post, and when you make a point, I either use knowledge I currently have, or research to be able to form an informed counterpoint. Anytime that I have used research and not previous knowledge to make a counterpoint, I have not only posted the article which I used but also given a direct link to the web page and usually the authors name and accreditations, simply so you can know exactly what source I am using. I READ what you post, extend the same curtesy to me, or don't argue with me. I'll post again what I posted when hiu asked me that. Not saying that this is fact since, as jibber pointed out it is in fact an opinionated paper, but it represents how I would answer the question since the opinion represented in the article represent my own opinions on racism as well.

Well, considering we have been talking about Racism in the nation of America, I'll go ahead and say nation.

Excellent question.
My Neighbourhood is prodominantly "Black"
My City is Prodominantly "White"
My Country is extremely mixed.

Where's the power there?

I don't think racism is ever on a national level I think every situation is complexly unique to each neighborhood. Because of the different interactions people have and ratio of races.

Your country is not extremely mixed, at least not with Blacks which is what we are talking about here.
I've said it before.

New Zeland, demographics:

White European 80%
Indigenous Peoples 14%
Asian Descent 6%

That leaves less than 1% of your population reserved for blacks, which is what we are talking about here.

Jim Crowe Laws disagree with ya there buddy.

Indigenous Peoples 14% = Blacks.

Tool.

5 5 cent pieces says you live in South Auckland.

How do you know he isn`t a black new zealander?

Ok so ever was the wrong word.

But if I'm walking through a black neighborhood and I go into a convinient store to buy a soda and they deny me of doing so is that racism? And in that neighborhood am I immune to racism on a local level as blacks are on a national level?

You'd assume that, wouldn't you....?

No, I live in The Hood of Lower Hutt.
You owe me .30C - Thank Sweedish Rounding :)

Indiginous peoples are not blacks and you know it.
Black people, as being discussed in this thread are African and were brought here(US) for the sole purpose of slavery.

They would have been noted as "African" and not "Indiginous Peoples" if they were blacks.

Haha, I don't know for sure. But I can make an educated assumption based on the fact that less than 1% of his population consists of African peoples.

We don't have the same kind of "Blacks" as you.

Our Indiginous Peoples are black, were slaves, were killed, raped, traded and blah blah blah.

From my understandings of Lower Hut from what I have heard it is made up of bogans and pacific islanders.

The whole concept of racism and power based on the individual (in this case Kramer) is ridiculous because Kramer himself doesn't have power, neither does any white, black, yellow or any other colored person.

That's racial prejudice and it is absolutly dispicable.
In this day and age racism/racial prejudice on that blatant of a level is almost non-existant.

Well to me your system doesn't work if you can't apply to the most basic of situations. It should work for nation, state, city, and neighborhood because those are very different places.

Your situation is called discrimination...I didn't really think that I needed to spell that out for you. :usehead:

So if I came to the U.S. and called every black guys there a ****** would you consider that racist?

before there was the arguement about the difference between ****** and nigga and there is no difference. The only thing that matters are intentions. I can go up to some random black guy and call him a ****** just to see what he'll say and that's not racist or I could yell at a black person who made a made a mistake and call them a stupid nigga and that is racist. So even though you more than likely you were directing that at ryhme I think it all depends on sincerity, intentions and, the thoughts that come with the words.

You're getting a bit too rediculous here.

It doesn't matter if you're African black or Polynesian black, your still black and to any white supremicist you would be considered inferior.

Are you saying there is no need for any place outside of America to be offended by the use of the word ******? That to have it used over here on our indigenous people is okay? Over here, blacks know what it means, whites know what it means. But according to you none of that matters because they're not proper ******s.

If I call the Queen a slut, should she not be offended because technically shes not a slut? (as far as I know)

Your idea of racism is so limited in that you're only applying it to one type of people, in one situation.

I have said that we are discussing Racism in AMERICA multiple times, if you choose to ignore that I have said that, not my fault.

Why would you do that? Just to be a douchebag?
No, you're trying to justify your posts in this thread based off of experiences you haven't had.

rhymefestkillah=the most intelligent noob we've had for a very long time...congrats and hope you stick arround....

Avoiding answering the question I see

I agree adidasss, I hope (s)he sticks around too.

I know you are, but why solely America when the rest of the board is discussing it fairly universally?
Again, racism is racism, I don't need to be in America to experience it.

I'm not avoiding anything.
Doing it just to be a douchebag..I would just call you an assh*le.
If you did it because of a hatred that you have for African Americans (or just blacks in general), then yeah, I'd call you a racist.

I don't think that you would be able to call every Black American a ****** before being beaten so bad you wouldn't be able to speak...but that's just me.


Okay, you all can discuss it universally, but don't turn it around on me and call me narrowminded when I have stated that I am discussing how it applies to one country.

But i`m in an ethnic minority compared to blacks in the U.S. , which in your mind doesn`t make me a racist.

White European...ethnic minority...yeah....

white / indian mixed race actually

what?!?!

Dude, you've been a member of this forum since August and 2/3rds of your posts are about Michael Richards. Why does this get your balls in such a twist??

I don't mean any disrespect and I'm not trying to be rude to you by asking, I'm just curious

I only check up on the forum every once in a while, right after this whole Michael Richards thing came up I checked here to see what you guys were saying about it. There were no threads so I made one and, voila.