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Kurt_Cobain · 01-08-2007, 05:53 PM

I said that the eye for the eye basis was obliterated by Christ, and that He encourages all to love, regardless of the sin.

01-08-2007, 05:53 PM

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Christians messed up big time through history, and those people were self righteous morons, and not true christians in my eyes. But if thats your view of christians, I apologise for the ignorant mistakes the church has made. I talk of my views as a christian, and I hope I dont come across ignorant to the world and self-righteous

See, you are quick to say they are not true Christians. I guess that means that St. Augustine was not a true Christian, since he called for the TORTURE of homosexuals and blasphemers. And St. Thomas Aquinas called for their outright murder. Two of the greatest minds in Christian history have been labeled by you as 'not true christians'. Maybe you are not a true Christian since you just admitted that you do not listen to Jesus or to Old Testament Law.

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I said that the eye for the eye basis was obliterated by Christ, and that He encourages all to love, regardless of the sin.

Yes, and you are wrong. He clearly says that we are not to deviate from Old Testament law. Any teachings of his that promote forgiveness are pure contradiction.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-08-2007, 05:56 PM

^No I don't think those men were true christians, i'm not going to retract that. Those people were to be judged by God, not man, they had no right to do the things they did. Since no man is without sin and they shouldn't have 'cast their stones' so to speak.

tdoc210 · 01-08-2007, 05:56 PM

Hey hey hey,
Why doesnt the church take their priests that rape little boys, and torture them, i mean their law clearly states.. that.

Your views are so full of holes, and contadictions.

You wouldnt be christian if you werent force fed it from the bloody cradle, you don't get a bloody choice till your old enough to get out of your parents grasp

(pardon if i get your, and you're mixed up, its a bit tedious)

Kurt_Cobain · 01-08-2007, 05:58 PM

^I accepted Christ at 20, and never went to church before then

And my mum didnt accept Christ until a few years before, and never asked/forced me to do so.

Desired_Moments · 01-08-2007, 06:00 PM

I've been inlove with other women before, even engaged to one. I think g@y marriage is fine. If you are deeply inlove with someone, why shouldn't you deserve to spend the rest of your life with them?
And is anyone likely to fall inlove with a sheep? o.O

Ma Cherie · 01-08-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by _Spinning_

I think it's perfectly fine.

The whole religion thing shouldn't factor into the debate at all, but since it seems to be the only thing stopping people from accepting it, then I guess the Church has some work to do on the "Morality of Same Sex Marriage."

R.A.R has a very valid point.

God is Omnipotent and all powerful.

If Homosexuality is such a problem, why does it exist and why are people in same sex relationships all over the world falling in love?

I say, let them get married. They do over here, and there's nothing wrong with it.

"Freewill"

homosexual have a role in thing as well, in this case they can be a dorr for thoses of the same gender to under stand those of the opposite, i'll freely admit, i'm bi, my female friend ask me questions to do with how guys think, and to guy(unless they want me) i'm one of the guys, i play mediator, i resolve relationship conflitcs between friends and their, er... novios(can't think of an english word aprroriate for both boyfriend and girl friend so i used the spanish one, i just hope i spelled it right) thats how i see myself, i do in time(as i do lean more to straight then lesbian) she myself getting married eventually, and when i do i'll be faithful as it is not my nature to be other wise, that doesn't mean that while i'm not dating anyone, i won't sit and ahave a concersation with a male friend on how cute such and such girl looks, that how i've always been....

tdoc210 · 01-08-2007, 06:02 PM

^ moleys not a girl O.o

seriousley KC there are influences on yuo, beleive me, your mom did play a part. and so did the country you lve in.

Kurt_Cobain · 01-08-2007, 06:05 PM

Of course I was influenced, by free choice, eternal life, and finding a place to belong. I hope I have those things. I want that good stuff, and I love Christ regardless of what I may or may not have coming to me.
(KC I like that btw mate

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~~[MERIT]~~ · 01-08-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr

As I havesince I was young, and first experinced death, firmly beleived, that religion, as a whole, was an entirley ridicoulous affair. After being taught about how great Christians were for converting "pagan cultures to christianity, i began to question it, first i asked the teacher, what if the people, wanted nothing to do with the christians or their beleifs, the age old traditions of these cultures should have been preserved, not obliterated. Then when I found out that Christians killed, or outcast anyone who was not of their faith, i concluded that the only reason these people converted their religion was for fear of their own lives, and welfare of their family. Fore they could face a penalty such as, stoning or burning at the stake, i can see the goodwill being spread right there. I was brought up in a christian/catholic household, obviousley catholic because of Irish lneage, not that matters, but being brought up christian, i was bale to first hand witness the lies, one of the earliest memories was in catholic primary school, when i asked how come no jewish kids come here, and the teacher replied, this a christian school, people who are heretics arnt aloowed here. I then saw discimination for the fisrt time. Church was a laughing matter, sitting there and watching them denounce non beleivers, and god was great bull, and especially my favourite memory, after hearing the sermon about how jesus knocked the money off the table at the temple, there was a money collection immeadiatley afterwards. I have experience in this so dont say i dont know.

Again with the pagan thing? Give the "wanna fit in so deny religion" thing a rest. kthnx.

And youre going to judge christians but what some of them did hundreds and even thousands of years ago? Makes sense to me

01-08-2007, 05:53 PM	#41 (permalink)
Kurt_Cobain Alan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In bed, with Cheryl Tweedy Posts: 275	I said that the eye for the eye basis was obliterated by Christ, and that He encourages all to love, regardless of the sin. __________________ http://kungfucrazy.forum-motion.com/

01-08-2007, 05:56 PM	#43 (permalink)
Kurt_Cobain Alan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In bed, with Cheryl Tweedy Posts: 275	^No I don't think those men were true christians, i'm not going to retract that. Those people were to be judged by God, not man, they had no right to do the things they did. Since no man is without sin and they shouldn't have 'cast their stones' so to speak. __________________ http://kungfucrazy.forum-motion.com/

01-08-2007, 05:56 PM	#44 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	Hey hey hey, Why doesnt the church take their priests that rape little boys, and torture them, i mean their law clearly states.. that. Your views are so full of holes, and contadictions. You wouldnt be christian if you werent force fed it from the bloody cradle, you don't get a bloody choice till your old enough to get out of your parents grasp (pardon if i get your, and you're mixed up, its a bit tedious) __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

01-08-2007, 05:58 PM	#45 (permalink)
Kurt_Cobain Alan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In bed, with Cheryl Tweedy Posts: 275	^I accepted Christ at 20, and never went to church before then And my mum didnt accept Christ until a few years before, and never asked/forced me to do so. __________________ http://kungfucrazy.forum-motion.com/

01-08-2007, 06:00 PM	#46 (permalink)
Desired_Moments *** Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Loughor, Swansea, Wales Posts: 82	I've been inlove with other women before, even engaged to one. I think g@y marriage is fine. If you are deeply inlove with someone, why shouldn't you deserve to spend the rest of your life with them? And is anyone likely to fall inlove with a sheep? o.O __________________ Dude. I inject smack into my eyes.

01-08-2007, 06:02 PM	#48 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	^ moleys not a girl O.o seriousley KC there are influences on yuo, beleive me, your mom did play a part. and so did the country you lve in. __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

01-08-2007, 06:05 PM	#49 (permalink)
Kurt_Cobain Alan Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In bed, with Cheryl Tweedy Posts: 275	Of course I was influenced, by free choice, eternal life, and finding a place to belong. I hope I have those things. I want that good stuff, and I love Christ regardless of what I may or may not have coming to me. (KC I like that btw mate ) __________________ http://kungfucrazy.forum-motion.com/