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Kurt_Cobain 01-08-2007 06:53 PM
I said that the eye for the eye basis was obliterated by Christ, and that He encourages all to love, regardless of the sin.

WhyFightHomosexualRights? 01-08-2007 06:53 PM
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Christians messed up big time through history, and those people were self righteous morons, and not true christians in my eyes. But if thats your view of christians, I apologise for the ignorant mistakes the church has made. I talk of my views as a christian, and I hope I dont come across ignorant to the world and self-righteous
See, you are quick to say they are not true Christians. I guess that means that St. Augustine was not a true Christian, since he called for the TORTURE of homosexuals and blasphemers. And St. Thomas Aquinas called for their outright murder. Two of the greatest minds in Christian history have been labeled by you as 'not true christians'. Maybe you are not a true Christian since you just admitted that you do not listen to Jesus or to Old Testament Law.

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I said that the eye for the eye basis was obliterated by Christ, and that He encourages all to love, regardless of the sin.
Yes, and you are wrong. He clearly says that we are not to deviate from Old Testament law. Any teachings of his that promote forgiveness are pure contradiction.

Kurt_Cobain 01-08-2007 06:56 PM
^No I don't think those men were true christians, i'm not going to retract that. Those people were to be judged by God, not man, they had no right to do the things they did. Since no man is without sin and they shouldn't have 'cast their stones' so to speak.

tdoc210 01-08-2007 06:56 PM
Hey hey hey,
Why doesnt the church take their priests that rape little boys, and torture them, i mean their law clearly states.. that.

Your views are so full of holes, and contadictions.

You wouldnt be christian if you werent force fed it from the bloody cradle, you don't get a bloody choice till your old enough to get out of your parents grasp

(pardon if i get your, and you're mixed up, its a bit tedious)

Kurt_Cobain 01-08-2007 06:58 PM
^I accepted Christ at 20, and never went to church before then:) And my mum didnt accept Christ until a few years before, and never asked/forced me to do so.

Desired_Moments 01-08-2007 07:00 PM
I've been inlove with other women before, even engaged to one. I think g@y marriage is fine. If you are deeply inlove with someone, why shouldn't you deserve to spend the rest of your life with them?
And is anyone likely to fall inlove with a sheep? o.O

Ma Cherie 01-08-2007 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by _Spinning_ (Post 322647)
I think it's perfectly fine.

The whole religion thing shouldn't factor into the debate at all, but since it seems to be the only thing stopping people from accepting it, then I guess the Church has some work to do on the "Morality of Same Sex Marriage."

R.A.R has a very valid point.

God is Omnipotent and all powerful.

If Homosexuality is such a problem, why does it exist and why are people in same sex relationships all over the world falling in love?

I say, let them get married. They do over here, and there's nothing wrong with it.

"Freewill"

homosexual have a role in thing as well, in this case they can be a dorr for thoses of the same gender to under stand those of the opposite, i'll freely admit, i'm bi, my female friend ask me questions to do with how guys think, and to guy(unless they want me) i'm one of the guys, i play mediator, i resolve relationship conflitcs between friends and their, er... novios(can't think of an english word aprroriate for both boyfriend and girl friend so i used the spanish one, i just hope i spelled it right) thats how i see myself, i do in time(as i do lean more to straight then lesbian) she myself getting married eventually, and when i do i'll be faithful as it is not my nature to be other wise, that doesn't mean that while i'm not dating anyone, i won't sit and ahave a concersation with a male friend on how cute such and such girl looks, that how i've always been....

tdoc210 01-08-2007 07:02 PM
^ moleys not a girl O.o

seriousley KC there are influences on yuo, beleive me, your mom did play a part. and so did the country you lve in.

Kurt_Cobain 01-08-2007 07:05 PM
Of course I was influenced, by free choice, eternal life, and finding a place to belong. I hope I have those things. I want that good stuff, and I love Christ regardless of what I may or may not have coming to me.
(KC I like that btw mate :) )

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr (Post 322679)
As I havesince I was young, and first experinced death, firmly beleived, that religion, as a whole, was an entirley ridicoulous affair. After being taught about how great Christians were for converting "pagan cultures to christianity, i began to question it, first i asked the teacher, what if the people, wanted nothing to do with the christians or their beleifs, the age old traditions of these cultures should have been preserved, not obliterated. Then when I found out that Christians killed, or outcast anyone who was not of their faith, i concluded that the only reason these people converted their religion was for fear of their own lives, and welfare of their family. Fore they could face a penalty such as, stoning or burning at the stake, i can see the goodwill being spread right there. I was brought up in a christian/catholic household, obviousley catholic because of Irish lneage, not that matters, but being brought up christian, i was bale to first hand witness the lies, one of the earliest memories was in catholic primary school, when i asked how come no jewish kids come here, and the teacher replied, this a christian school, people who are heretics arnt aloowed here. I then saw discimination for the fisrt time. Church was a laughing matter, sitting there and watching them denounce non beleivers, and god was great bull, and especially my favourite memory, after hearing the sermon about how jesus knocked the money off the table at the temple, there was a money collection immeadiatley afterwards. I have experience in this so dont say i dont know.
Again with the pagan thing? Give the "wanna fit in so deny religion" thing a rest. kthnx.



And youre going to judge christians but what some of them did hundreds and even thousands of years ago? Makes sense to me:rolleyes:

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr (Post 322693)
Hey hey hey,
Why doesnt the church take their priests that rape little boys, and torture them, i mean their law clearly states.. that.

Your views are so full of holes, and contadictions.

You wouldnt be christian if you werent force fed it from the bloody cradle, you don't get a bloody choice till your old enough to get out of your parents grasp

(pardon if i get your, and you're mixed up, its a bit tedious)
thats only a handful of catholic priests. And i challenge you to show me 1 christian who agrees with that behavior.

~nutshell~ 01-08-2007 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr (Post 322693)
Hey hey hey,
Why doesnt the church take their priests that rape little boys, and torture them, i mean their law clearly states.. that.

Your views are so full of holes, and contadictions.

You wouldnt be christian if you werent force fed it from the bloody cradle, you don't get a bloody choice till your old enough to get out of your parents grasp

(pardon if i get your, and you're mixed up, its a bit tedious)
Exactly

And Oojay- do you even know waht paganism is?????

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyFightHomosexualRights? (Post 322667)
Christianity is not about spreading good.
If you would like I could completly demolish you in an argument about it.

Do you accept?
who is this? Big3? adidasss? ethan? I bet its ethan. If I was as (insert naughty word) as him I'd be afraid to show my face around here too.

Desired_Moments 01-08-2007 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr (Post 322699)
^ moleys not a girl O.o

seriousley KC there are influences on yuo, beleive me, your mom did play a part. and so did the country you lve in.
No unfortunately, but he does have feminine features.:love:

tdoc210 01-08-2007 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 322706)
thats only a handful of catholic priests. And i challenge you to show me 1 christian who agrees with that behavior.
well obviousley the priests do
they are christian .
the vatican doesnt do much.

~nutshell~ 01-08-2007 07:15 PM
a hanful? Ha. not even.

Clearly, You've been f*cking brainwashed.

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ~nutshell~ (Post 322708)
Exactly

And Oojay- do you even know waht paganism is?????
Yes, but apparently all religions should be judged by the actions of a few of its members that took place 2000 years ago.

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr (Post 322712)
well obviousley the priests do
they are christian .
the vatican doesnt do much.
I am not catholic, so Im not as up to date on it as some. But be wise to not lump all "christians" in together. Beliefs, christian or otherwise, vary between sects of all religions.

~nutshell~ 01-08-2007 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 322714)
Yes, but apparently all religions should be judged by the actions of a few of its members that took place 2000 years ago.
well what else is there to believe in? That I was born sinful an d need to repent? That Christianity is better than all religions. That its ok for a priest to live in a f*cking masion wdrinking from gold cups while followers live in squalor? Is that ok with me? NO.

Desired_Moments 01-08-2007 07:18 PM
hey oojay, moley wants some bum fun.. up for it? :D

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Desired_Moments (Post 322721)
hey oojay, moley wants some bum fun.. up for it? :D
/is disgusted with all of you

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ~nutshell~ (Post 322713)
a hanful? Ha. not even.

Clearly, You've been f*cking brainwashed.
IM NOT CATHOLIC! so i dont know. I guess im not as up to date on my child molesting news as most of you are.

Sparky 01-08-2007 07:20 PM
i personally find the bible to be so incredibly outdated, it holds no relevance to modern times...but I'm sure people will disagree.


I keep asking the jehovas witnesses when armageddon is but they never give me a straight answer, so i looked it up...

according to them where 30 years over-due..

Desired_Moments 01-08-2007 07:21 PM
I was kidding ofcourse an no this is not Moley >..>

Moley does not want bum fun! o.O

~nutshell~ 01-08-2007 07:22 PM
what brand of Christian doctrine had been forced down your throat, oojay?

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ~nutshell~ (Post 322727)
what brand of Christian doctrine had been forced down your throat, oojay?
rephrase the question and maybe I'll answer it.

~nutshell~ 01-08-2007 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by matious (Post 322725)
i personally find the bible to be so incredibly outdated, it holds no relevance to modern times...but I'm sure people will disagree.


I keep asking the jehovas witnesses when armageddon is but they never give me a straight answer, so i looked it up...

according to them where 30 years over-due..

LOL at the jehovas! But hey, whatever gets you through the day, right?

And no, I won't rephrase the question. DOnt get mad, oojay.

tdoc210 01-08-2007 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 322718)
I am not catholic, so Im not as up to date on it as some. But be wise to not lump all "christians" in together. Beliefs, christian or otherwise, vary between sects of all religions.
your avoiding my point
stop veiwing it in first person.

The vatican blindly defends its priests.
Now. I dont just shoot down christianity, ill shoot down any religion. but
not with out supporting evidence and facts.

Desired_Moments 01-08-2007 07:26 PM
I used t go to church and shizz when I was in hospital, out of sheer desperation really, I don't belive in anything, actually, tell a lie. I believe that everything should be doubted, especially religion. In my opinion it's aload of rules that some unimportant person made up.
If you were ***, and you couldn't marry because of some du,mbass religion, you'd be pretty pisse.d

tdoc210 01-08-2007 07:26 PM
oojay is from the norteastwest lol so probably not protestent, or catholic, maybe he is a episcoplaian, or a mormon

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ~nutshell~ (Post 322733)
LOL at the jehovas!

And no, I won't rephrase the question. DOnt get mad, oojay.
im not getting mad, but Im not going to answer rude, poorly worded, some what mentally retarded questions.



For your information, I am a pentacostal. aka "holy roller" to some. I AM NOT CATHOLIC. not that theres anything wrong with catholic, its just that when people hear "christian" they automatically think "catholic".

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr (Post 322736)
oojay is from the norteastwest lol so probably not protestent, or catholic, maybe he is a episcoplaian, or a mormon
norteastwest? *buys you a map and a clue*
try MO and pentacostal.

swim 01-08-2007 07:28 PM
Let the faggot's be happy!




shit.

Kurt_Cobain 01-08-2007 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by oojay (Post 322737)
im not getting mad, but Im not going to answer rude, poorly worded, some what mentally retarded questions.



For your information, I am a pentacostal. aka "holy roller" to some. I AM NOT CATHOLIC. not that theres anything wrong with catholic, its just that when people hear "christian" they automatically think "catholic".
Wooo, im pentacostal!

tdoc210 01-08-2007 07:29 PM
pentacost rhymes with holocaust =)
maybe the nazis should have fueled against all religion.
I dont suppoet nazism, but the vatican does =)

Desired_Moments 01-08-2007 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by swimintheundertow (Post 322740)
Let the faggot's be happy!




shit.
I concur.

Desired_Moments 01-08-2007 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr (Post 322743)
pentacost rhymes with holocaust =)
maybe the nazis should have fueled against all religion.
I dont suppoet nazism, but the vatican does =)
oh! I'm a nazi!

*hitler salutes*

*means no offence to any Jews who may be here right now* o.O

WhyFightHomosexualRights? 01-08-2007 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurt_Cobain (Post 322691)
^No I don't think those men were true christians, i'm not going to retract that. Those people were to be judged by God, not man, they had no right to do the things they did. Since no man is without sin and they shouldn't have 'cast their stones' so to speak.
But do you not understand? The Old Testament (whose Laws Jesus Christ said we are to follow) commands the murder of those people by the Israelites (who now constitute all Christians and Jews)

[MERIT] 01-08-2007 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mamagarmr (Post 322743)
pentacost rhymes with holocaust =)
maybe the nazis should have fueled against all religion.
I dont suppoet nazism, but the vatican does =)
pagan rhymes with bacon. w0rd.:usehead:

Desired_Moments 01-08-2007 07:33 PM
baconism? That could be a cool religion o.O *ponders*

Bacon for every meal of the day is a must!

It says so in the baconism old testaments


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