There's a difference between "giving an opinion" and supporting taking away someone's rights.

Don't triple post n00b.
I await your reply to my post.

"What right do you have to judge them?" Answer the question oojay. This is what it comes down to.

what question? all you asked is "dont you know anything about your own religion"? obviously I do. question?

Sorry, everyones posting at once. see above.

I don't believe you do, since you seem to disregard Old Testament law in some circumstances, yet advocate it as infalliable in others. What gives?

I dont judge them. I give my opinoin. If you take my opinoin as being what God himslef and all christian republicans believe, then thats your problem. And you are all hypocrites. You sit here and judge me and my religion w/o a second thought, then climb on your high horses and say "how dare you judge!". look in the mirror folks.

We're not trying to ban your religion fool.

We aren't the ones who subscribe to Christian doctrine, you are.

So please, answer me.
Why do you disreagard Old Testament law in some cases, yet present it as infalliable in others?

But you're so "God this, God that" and a basic cornerstone of your religion is not judging people.

I have no religion. Therefore, I will judge as I see fit.

I never said disregard it, dont put words into my mouth. I said christains read the whole bible, jews dont. thats all i said:usehead:

Amen!

I mean...o.O

um..

whoah. Why would I think YOUR opinion (or anyone's)is what god believes. Isnt that what YOU think??? YOu are so amazingly confused. Are you dazed too? Sorry. there I go again. Please forgive.

So if you do not disregard it, then why don't you kill the people whom you are commanded to kill in Leviticus 20?

Leviticus

20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

You may as well transcibe all of Leviticus 20, where Christians are commanded to kill:

Those who engage in incest
Disobedient children
Men who marry their wives and their wives mothers
Men who engage in sexual intercourse with their wives while their wives are menstrating
Sabbath breakers*
Blasphemers
Unbelievers
Those who engage in beastiality

The list is almost 25 verses long.

*There is a great story in Numbers where the Israelites find a man collecting sticks on the sabbath. They arrest him and take him to Moses. Moses asks God what to do about it and God says "This man shall surely be put to death"

mostly put to darth by stoning
oh and dont forget by saying jeho...
oh ****

You'd figure you'd be more *** friendly considering the amount of times you kiss Adidasss's ass. No clown, not contradiction. I'm saying if I think everything should be allowed then to start an argument you need to tell me why something shouldn't be allowed.

Even if I had screwed up you know whats being asked of you. Poeple who nit pick like that can't win arguments so they attack the arguer.

have you even glimpsed at any of these 14 pages? get a clue. And kissing adidasss' ass? jusy because he PWN3D you in your all's argument and I pointed it out doesnt constitute "kissing ass".

I don't see what the deal is, this is a forum...Oojay's entitled to his beliefs, he doesn't have to like ***s....

thank you. and its not that i dont like them, i disagree with the lifestyle. apparently everyone else but me is entitled to their own opinion as long as its in agreeance with the majority.

yeah but its all dogma. Its what men wrote, not anywhere is this argument made with the word of god...

As I understand it: This whole idea is from Leviticus which is the Judean book of laws, which was created once Rome conquered Judea and the Jewish people needed a way to indentify themselves from the other citizen in the empire. BEing rightfully angry and a little against the empire one of the rules was "A man shall not lay down with another man as he would a woman." Thats the line everyone is using to validate this *** = anti-jesus sentiment. The reason that law was created is because the Romans condoned homosexuality within the military to promote on feild brotherhood. The Jews not wanting to join up with an imperialistic empire created this law to punish the romans.

I don't really know why history gets left out all the time. With things like 666 being the mark of the beast, why don't people get told that it was likely that that was aramaic (sp?) for Nero. I don't know, what do I know?

Tr00f, christians are more stupid then jews. They need more explanation and a rule for everything.

shut up dude.

...what does 2 guys fucking have anything to do with you?

hopefully nothing. Im not the one dragging this sh*t out more.

Well I think the hardest idea for the pro-marrige folk to wrap their heads around is why you would care so much. If you are against people sinning then why wouldn't you be anti-gun, or anti-war?

And isn't restricting people a rejection of God's will? I mean a lot of this jusr seems a bit off is all.

I think there are more anti-christians on here than homophobes by a long shot, i mean seriously, my mum goes to witchfest every year, she's friends with a fair few famous authors on paganism, druidism etc. i see Marians books all the time in the shops, her friend xena was even a high priestess so being raised knowing that the american god squad every year goes down to witchfest to tell my mother that shes going to burn in hell you'd think if anyone had a beef with Oojay it would be me, but i know plenty of christians who are truly decent people, since when was this place so narrowminded about different peoples beliefs? as far as i've learned best thing to do when there's a clash of religious beliefs is just to not talk about it because your not only guarunteed to upset someone but your garunteed to provoke an arguement, Oojay doesn't agree with the *** lifestyle, my mate Jamo just left for the army...hates ***s, my mate vintage just came out and they get on fine....how the **** it happened i dont know but so long as they both keep their mouth shut about each others opinions on the matter so to respect and spare the other ones feelings all is well.
You're all hypocrites, Oojay's not allowed to have a religeous belief which may clash with the homosexual lifestyle but you'll all sit here and bash away at his religion? ****s sake.

I guess the want for this to remain aemotional was all for not.

If you disagree with a lifestyle, don't live it. It becomes discrimination when you actively motion against THEM being able to live it.


Fun fact about that quote: The "if man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death..." bit.

The true translation of the original is very unclear and could be interpreted in many different ways. For example, it could mean that a man cannot sleep with another man if that man is dressed as a woman (thus transexuality is the abomination rather than homosexuality).

Well, it sort of is Gods fault. I could go into the whole "God gave man the weakness to temptation, and also created Satan with full knowledge of the affects of his actions. The idea of free will requires a balance in human countenance that cannot exist with the presence of a deitic structure." but that would be a whole theological argument over nothing so I'll cut to the chase.

Homosexuality is, in many cases, genetic. As time goes by scientists are getting closer to finding the specific alleles involved and have already located general genetic traits. Also, in natural homosexuals brain patterns are more closely matched to that of the opposite gender - a sign that their sexual preference is biologically determined. And animals are homosexual.

So, God made Satan to tempt us. God gave us free will, so that we can be tempted. God made the genetic structure that made some of us so susceptible to Satans temptation (or, to the rationally thinking person, they were born ***). So yah, if you believe in God then homosexuality is his fault. Unless we're genetically modified by Satan after having been created by God. In which case, as God created Satan and gave him the character flaw of evil, it's still Gods fault.

But yeah, mindless hate is more fun. ****ing f@ggots!

:laughing: you are a joke. go make out with a boy and write some poetry you little trite.

How am I joke? You blindly follow a book that you probably can't even get through because it would interfere with your male soap operas and is too many pages.

Lets just string this sh*t out all night shall we?

dude, go to bed. youre not worth acknowledging.

You still haven't answered my question. Amazing, I gave you like 45 minutes.

This thread is embarrasing, anyone with a lick of decency would tell you all to shut the **** up and close it, waste of my ****ing time *leaves*

I plan to, tell me do you hate gays because you're in the closet yourself or because it makes you feel like a big man?

"I hate g@ys because I'm in the closet myslef and/or because it makes me feel like a big man"


did I get all?

I don't have a problem with Christians just so long as they don't let their beliefs develop into bigotry or try to force their ideologies upon other people. I still think Christianity is illogical and probably detrimental to the overall wellbeing of the human race, but I'm not out to tear it down or ban it. I have friends and family members who are Christians and I don't have any problem with them, but if any of them propagated the narrow-minded bigotry that Oojay occasionally spouts I'd have a serious problem staying friends with them.

I love Leviticus. Not only is the ban on homosexuality that it lays out a questionable translation, it also bans eating shellfish and shaving. If you follow the *** hate, I seriously hope you have a beard down to your tits.