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So every sunday night we have a radio program on one of the stations called "1 in 10: the *** and lesbian community" So last night I was flipping through talk radio because I'm an old man and there was an elderly gentleman engaged in a civil and rational debate about what the problems with *** marrige were. I really wnated to hear the entire thing but I had arrived at the Taqueria and I was hungry.

But since this has been a hot button issue on these boards for a bit now and it pops up in signatures, by lines and unrelated topics so I figured lets start it here.

I think a nay should start off (in my opinion) because from my Libretarian standpoint everything should be allowed.

Also, I know it will get out of hand but if we could all try to have an emotionless debate that would be swell. I know I myself get "way to sensitive on here anyways" *runs gleefully*

A "nay" (meaning no allowance of g@y marriage) since you believe everything should be....allowed..........Contradiction much?


That aside, as you all already know I disagree with g@y marriage. The old clich`e "a marriage should be between a man and a woman" is completely true. We dont let people go around and marry sheep.......

But why?

Based off of religious text?

If God created every man and women (something you obviously hold dear) then would the fact that God made a *** man be a "mistake"?

God doesn't make mistakes right? If so, then God meant for that person to be ***. And if God is a loving God as extolled in the Bible, then he would allow them the same emotions and thought process as heterosexuals correct?

Therefore denying homosexuals civil unions is hypocrisy.

Marriage is a religious contract and church's should sort that one out.



Plus the sheep arguement is a logical fallacy. Unless of course you don't consider homosexuals human.

God created man. He gave man freewill. Satan tempted man's freewill into sin, in this case that sin is homosexuality. Dont blame homosexuality on god.

Thats all very nice but from what I gather from gay friends is the reason they wanted gay marrages is so that they have the same legal rights as far as taxation , benefits and those sorts of things as straight couples who are married.

Religion isn`t the only issue.

I think *** marriage should be allowed, and denying it, is a violation of freedom, and what America, (well is supposed to) stands for.

If I remeber correctly there is no commandment saying one man shall not love another man, in your precious bible.

Besides government should not be run off dated ideals, though im one to talk, because i revel in pagan celbrations, such as mayday etc. Infact those religions make alot more sense than Christianity, Judaism, or Muslim. They payed respects to the things that actually gave them life, sun water, wind, fertilit, etc.

No commandments, but there are several scriptures that say homosexuality is wrong. And it doesnt need to be written anywhere, it should be implied, atleast to christians and the common sensical.

I think it's perfectly fine.

The whole religion thing shouldn't factor into the debate at all, but since it seems to be the only thing stopping people from accepting it, then I guess the Church has some work to do on the "Morality of Same Sex Marriage."

R.A.R has a very valid point.

God is Omnipotent and all powerful.

If Homosexuality is such a problem, why does it exist and why are people in same sex relationships all over the world falling in love?

I say, let them get married. They do over here, and there's nothing wrong with it.

"Freewill"

Dont just argue for homosexuality, why does ANY sin exist? It all boils down to free will, and whether you have the dedication and guts to follow the rules set by God and live a good life.

Not everyones christian..y'know. and government should not be run by, a religion. It fails. Just as all governments will, in all time crumble, so shall structured religion, it is in it's decay already, people with logical sense, have come into focus now.

the commanments were written by your "god'' not the scriptures... i beleive.. i dont read bargain books

Well, I was only arguing for Homosexuality as that is actually staying on topic of the thread and it'd be nice to see that happen for at least the first page.

Saying that people who sin "don't have the guts to follow the rules" is a load of crap.

There are millions of good people who lead good lives, and serve no God what-so-ever.
People all over the world lead good lives for the soul purpose of giving their family a good life.

I have a ton of Homosexual and Bi-Sexual friends and 90% of them are really good people.

No, they don't go to church, because most churches reject them and who wants to be part of a religion that wont accept you for who you are?

Did you just call the Holy Bible a "bargain book"?

Yeah, its like 99 cents at walmart

Tell that to Iran, Turkey, India, get my point?

All laws are in some way or another based off of religion. Deal with it.

Umm as far as I can tell they are some of the worst countries for human rights.

Wasn`t religion supposed to be about spreading good?

Oh, right next to all the PIL cd's in the bargain bin:rolleyes:

Youre a f*cking joke mikey. "ooh, I'm a pagan"
GROW THE F*CK UP.

And you can watch it too

My religion is. Last time I checked none of those countries were christian. I was just eluding to the fact that our government isnt the only one influenced or based upon a religion.

No but it does prove the point that if you don`t follow the religion of that country you are considered an outcast.

Which is exactly what you are doing

lol im not a pagan, i rever nature, i dont offer up sacrifices...... oh wait thats christians, who drink blood and stuff yeah, well wine, but in the sense that its supposed to be blood is odd.

meh. the only "pagans" which i use loosley. are the damn mallgoths who sya they are "wiccan"

I have nothing to do with the way any country is run. Im just telling you all my opinion. If I happen to be 100% right, eh, so be it.

communion is a metaphor. The bread or cracker is meant to represent the body of christ, and the grape juice (only catholics use wine) is meant to represent his blood. The idea is that consuming the body and blood of christ (metaphorically speaking) will help you become more christ-like yourself (meaning more purity and less sin). Atleast thats how I understand it to be.

Cannibalism, metaphorically or not, Is a sin...Correct?

cannabalism is always hxc fun.
srrsly, back on topic, this isnt even about *** marriage anymore.
*** marriage as i see it will be legal soon, hopefully.

The Catholic faith teaches that the wine is literally transformed into the blood of Christ and the bread is literally transformed into the body of Christ.

Christianity is not about spreading good.
If you would like I could completly demolish you in an argument about it.

Do you accept?

No you don`t.

But why should you care so much about condeming something that is perfectly legal that you have no interest in just because a book who not everybody follows told you too.

Christianity has never spread an ounce of good.
Killing people, and burning them at the stake, demolishing age old cultures?

Hahaha that made me laugh out loud.

In any case, whatever happened to separation of church and state? And the idea that all moral codes are based on religion is ridiculous. People can think and act rationally and ethically without religion giving them strict guidelines. I would go so far as to say that religion generally impedes rational and ethical actions, but I don't want to start a fight. There are lots of things I disagree with or that I think are "gross" but I think people should be free to do what they want to do if it's not going to hurt anyone. And even more than that, I strongly disagree with certain groups forcing their particular ideals upon a minority which does not hold the same views.

Some muslims blow people up because their God demands in. Lets slag their religion off and call them packie bastards. Oh wait, thats wrong.
Yes homosexuallity is wrong in the bible, but the bible says other things.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"
And I think God asks people to reserve their judgement for Him. Love everyone regardless the sin. Yes the sin is wrong, but the person is not. And God can forgive *** people too, thats like saying its all right to kill and rape, and you can be forgiven, but sleep with the same sex and its over. B.S
Thats why people hate our religion, because people get self righteous. I love ya all, ***, straight or bi. Because I choose to as a person, not just as a christian. Choice was the first gift, so use it to spread a bit of love, k?

No, I disagree with Islam as well.
You're right, the Bible does condemn homosexuality. In fact, according to Leviticus 20:13 you are to put homosexuals to death. Why don't you do this? Your Bible directly commands the murder of homosexuals, yet you choose not to kill them. Why? Are you not disobeying God?

Some Irish Catholics, like my parents, were taught as childrenthat was his ACTUAL blood. That the priest had some magical powers. The nuns told them a story of a boy who put the communioin cracker in his pocket and his pocket started to bleed real blood- Christ's blood.

My parents left the church cuz they were taught all this voo doo crap.

Its the old testament, with the eye for the basis. Christians live by Christ's words, and to turn the other cheak. We don't want to kill for sin, because its a sin itself. And if you read the whole bible, you'll know what to die means:
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
It means they'll be cast into the lake of fire and not inherit eternal lifee, so it is to die.

So if they're paying the price themselves, what right does the Church have to say no to Civil Union?

ok. I don't believe it. But then again, I don't believe in hell. And I'm not so sure about God either.

As I havesince I was young, and first experinced death, firmly beleived, that religion, as a whole, was an entirley ridicoulous affair. After being taught about how great Christians were for converting "pagan cultures to christianity, i began to question it, first i asked the teacher, what if the people, wanted nothing to do with the christians or their beleifs, the age old traditions of these cultures should have been preserved, not obliterated. Then when I found out that Christians killed, or outcast anyone who was not of their faith, i concluded that the only reason these people converted their religion was for fear of their own lives, and welfare of their family. Fore they could face a penalty such as, stoning or burning at the stake, i can see the goodwill being spread right there. I was brought up in a christian/catholic household, obviousley catholic because of Irish lneage, not that matters, but being brought up christian, i was bale to first hand witness the lies, one of the earliest memories was in catholic primary school, when i asked how come no jewish kids come here, and the teacher replied, this a christian school, people who are heretics arnt aloowed here. I then saw discimination for the fisrt time. Church was a laughing matter, sitting there and watching them denounce non beleivers, and god was great bull, and especially my favourite memory, after hearing the sermon about how jesus knocked the money off the table at the temple, there was a money collection immeadiatley afterwards. I have experience in this so dont say i dont know.

yup. sounds like my parents upbringing. The Christians were terrorists. that is true and cannot be denied.

^Christians messed up big time through history, and those people were self righteous morons, and not true christians in my eyes. But if thats your view of christians, I apologise for the ignorant mistakes the church has made. I talk of my views as a christian, and I hope I dont come across ignorant to the world and self-righteous

Ah, yes. You live by Christ's words, the Old Testament is rubbish.
Well, since you have already admitted that you live by Christ's words, then you should know that you are NOT TO DEVIATE from Old Testament law. In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus is speaking to his disciples and he says:

Do not think that I have come to abolish the law of the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fufil. Amen I say to you until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of the letter will pass from the Law, until all things have taken place. Therefore whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven


Here Jesus clearly says that we are not to for-go Old Testament Law, and not to teach others that it is okay to for-go Old Testament Law. Well, you just tried to tell me that we do not have to follow Old Testament Law, directly contradicting what Jesus says in Matthew.