I'm not republican. So I can have as much nasty buttsecks as I want.

look at the bold words.

Heres what I'm gonna do, its my fault this went off topic. So........

No more talking about the war on this thread. Instead I will post my response on a thread where its relevent, and we can continue our discussion there.

At least thats what I have in mind, just to be on the safe side I sent ethan a PM to make sure its ok.

Yeah but still its pretty hypocritical to go I never said it would be me, then go on to talk about if it was you.

I'm kind of so-so on the insanity plea, I mean if someone murdered/rape/anything like that and they plea insane, well they could be but that doesn't mean they should be allowed out. Maybe some therapy so they're not a danger to their cellmates or selfs, but other than that they should stay in jail however in case of a more petty crime like if someones a kleptomaniac, therapy should be completely allowed to get them out of it because its what they need and it could possibly cured, and its not really that harmful to anyone, just wrong.

I really don't think that changes the fact that alot of the stuff you're saying is terribly hypocritical, its wrong to murder someone but its okay to murder them in order to punish them? An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

Yes, it is ok. If you knock a vase over, does your mommy just clean it up for you? No. If she were a good parent, she'd make you clean it up. That's your punishment for being careless. By executing someone for committing something heinous, you are maintaining order and sending a message out to the rest of society that the government will not tolerate such crimes. Rule by the fear of force.

Actions by themselves are in no way right or wrong, but it's the reasons for those actions that define it's morality or lack of. A man rapes and murders his wife because she didn't put out/she cheated on him/she came out. The man is then sentenced to death for his actions to punish him and to maintain order. Which murder is justified?

Neither.

So, you'd rather have a society that thrives on a weak judicial system

Tolerance will only lead to stagnation.

pour lube all over his windows and put diIdos in his mail box.

I'd rather have a society that thrives on equality and humane service for all to be honest.

We have a winner.

Rule by fear of force? What do you propose a dictatorship? Where courtrooms have the firing squad next to the jury and instead of the ring of a gavel we have a fusillade at the end? Whos going to lead, the "president"? But obviously hes going to be special, even if he say, shoots someone in the face he won't get punished, he'd never have to sometimes stand naked he'd be better he'd be the one to decide who gets killed, thrown to the wolves, and or tortured right?

Yeah but back to the vase, what if you accidentally knock it over? Should you have to pay? Lets say you're hunting and you accidentally shoot someone, you didn't see them but you hit them should you be killed for something you didn't want to have done? No of course not, its not the action its the motive, right? He probably shouldn't get as much jail time as a serial killer, but still putting that murder on the same level as stabbing someone to death? Thats not right.

As the unfan said earlier neither. There is no way a society can progress if were not after the best and most fair decision for every person, were just out for payback.

Its weak because its not a killing machine? It takes strength to be gentle and kind.

That is the single most disgusting and ignorant thing I have ever read. Do we start creating regimes, rules and take away freedom? Lets just piddle away our time trying to make this nation as fascist as possible otherwise we'd all be going to hell right? "What? you're a homosexual? Fetch the rope! We can't tolerate that." People like you make me sad for america.