Delegates (ticket, bling, member, cover, quote)

djchameleon · 02-06-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lizzie

It is so ridiculous, so many people are voting for her simply due to the fact that she is a woman, and people belive that we need a woman president, despite the fact that she is not the best candidate at all. I don't understand how someone could vote for a person simply on that, but clearly that is why she is getting so much support from woman. Although I suppose a lot of people say that Obama is doing the exact same thing, with race instead of gender.

wow....how can you say that when there are so many women that hate Hilary and won't vote for her? There are even black people that won't vote for Obama....there reason is pretty stupid but they say he's not black enough whatever the hell that means.

~~The Unfan~~ · 02-06-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Gates_of_Iscariot

oooooojay who do you want to win

Knowing oojay, whoever will make the most arbitrary laws based around christianity.

Rubber · 02-06-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

You're so wrong, here. If you feel it should be about equality, I think we're overdue for a woman president, seeing as how there have been over 40 male presidents, and 0 woman presidents.

If you feel it should be about equality, the best candidate should win. A woman shouldn't win just for the fact that shes a woman.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez · 02-06-2008, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Rubber

If you feel it should be about equality, the best candidate should win. A woman shouldn't win just for the fact that shes a woman.

I would actually like to see any woman win, just to tip the scale more in their favor a little. In this case, I actually think Clinton is a worthy candidate.

But, yeah, I would like to see a woman be president. Hell, Condoleeza Rice, or Janet Reno, or Ann C...wait no, I've gone too far. But I would just like to see women have a little better self-esteem about themselves, which would happen if a woman was president. Also, I would like to see the males in our society put that faith in them, not that I'm actually expecting that to happen.

I believe she is definitely the best candidate. I honestly think the other candidates have way more pride and ego than her, and I think she could take criticism. Oh wait, we don't want a president who actually takes criticism. We want a president who will brush criticism off, and not pay any attention to the American people who got them elected, and just go about building the hegemon, and tearing ties to our important allies.
That's probably why America is headed down the tube, because of an inability to change, and see things from a non-traditional perspective. I'm sure the press, and radio personalities will find plenty of things wrong with Hilary. Oh, she frowned. Oh, my god, what an awful person. Oh, she didn't shake every audience members hand after the debate, what a despicable human being. I hope she rots in hell. Oh yeah, and did I mention she's a woman. A woman president-how dare she try and empower women, so that they might think they actually have a purpose in life, other than to cook for me and clean up after me, and she might actually think she's equal to me, and decide to leave me. That's not the America I know. Women should be sitting in the stands while I tear up my local softball league, not at home trying to read books, and figure out how to better the world. Women don't need to read, they don't need to lead, they don't need to think. All they need to do is learn how to cook up a fine honey-glazed ham for me and the kids, and then suck a good d_(* after we put them to bed at night.

tkpb938 · 02-06-2008, 04:34 PM

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I would actually like to see any woman win, just to tip the scale more in their favor a little. In this case, I actually think Clinton is a worthy candidate.

Wow... I hope you never vote. You'd vote for her JUST because shes a woman?! Don't you think it should be more about whos the best president?

Lizzie · 02-06-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

wow....how can you say that when there are so many women that hate Hilary and won't vote for her? There are even black people that won't vote for Obama....there reason is pretty stupid but they say he's not black enough whatever the hell that means.

Well I don't know much about the Obama stuff, but I know tons of people who have said to me that Hillary should win simply because we need a female president. I'm sure there are tons of woman who hate her, I wouldn't doubt that, but a lot of people are voting for her because they beleive it is for the equality of women, and they need to 'balance the scales' as someone already stated. I would like to see a female president, but I simply do not belive that you should base your vote on gender, and Hillary is not the best choice for president at all.

sleepy jack · 02-06-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

You're so wrong, here. If you feel it should be about equality, I think we're overdue for a woman president, seeing as how there have been over 40 male presidents, and 0 woman presidents.
Maybe Obama wouldn't be too bad, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him.
The main thing I like about Hilary is that I trust her. I don't need all these idiots on TV and radio to tell me how I should feel about one candidate or another. I just feel like she's a genuine person. Obama also says he wants to 'end the politics of fear' and wants to put an end to the mentality that got us into war in the first place, which is pretty cool. How could you say McCain is cool? He looked like Frankenstein in his speech last night. I guess some liberals hear that he's the most unconservative of the Republicans, but my beef with him is that, he says he would have the Iraq war last for another 100 years if it was up to him.

California was the big prize last night for Hilary. It didn't quite seal the deal for her, but whoever won that state will most likely be the nominee.

Personally, I'm so sick of living in a culture that hates women so much. All unhappy men in our society want to blame their problems on somebody, so they always make it about a woman. Here's the thing-you were the idiot that got into the relationship in the first place. If you're not mature enough to handle the pitfalls of a relationship-don't have one. That's why I haven't been in a relationship for over 10 years, and I don't blame my problems on women, I don't point the finger elsewhere, I look at myself for strength.

"It's about time we need a woman president" are you serious? You shouldn't elect someone purely to prove a point. Why you feel Hillary is a genuine person I still don't know and why you keep going on about how real she is and that she's the "people's person" I don't know either. Where do you get this from? Some of the crap she's been doing is so fake that corny hug with her daughter included she cares more about the people putting money in her pockets than the voters. Where are you getting all this from? I also don't see how I'm being sexist or hating woman by saying that either. It defeats the purpose to fight for equality if you demand elevated status after achieving equality.

~~The Unfan~~ · 02-06-2008, 05:20 PM

I don't trust Clinton. She is pro-war and intends on mandating health care without trying to lower or even balance cost in any way. She's practically a republican parading as a democrat.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez · 02-06-2008, 05:51 PM

She isn't pro-war. It's suggested that she voted 'for' the war in Iraq. However, all that she voted for was that we proceed in going into Iraq to search for nuclear weapons. She has stated many times that if she knew then, what she knows now, she would have never voted for it. She was naive, and has admitted to it, to think that Bush wouldn't abuse his power, and turn it into the situation it is today.

I think we can all agree that all politicians, and every person running for the current nominations are extremely corrupt in some way or another. I don't need anyone to tell me that. All I can do is just watch each candidate, and see how they present themself, and see how they handle the pressure that is being placed on them, and judge from there. I feel Hilary is doing the best job.

Hilary seems to be natural when she talks at debates, in speeches, whatnot. To me, she doesn't seem like she's trying to cram something down our throats (= agenda) like the other candidates. That's just me, though.

sleepy jack · 02-06-2008, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

She isn't pro-war. It's suggested that she voted 'for' the war in Iraq. However, all that she voted for was that we proceed in going into Iraq to search for nuclear weapons. She has stated many times that if she knew then, what she knows now, she would have never voted for it. She was naive, and has admitted to it, to think that Bush wouldn't abuse his power, and turn it into the situation it is today.

Unlike Obama who was opposed it from the start.

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I think we can all agree that all politicians, and every person running for the current nominations are extremely corrupt in some way or another. I don't need anyone to tell me that. All I can do is just watch each candidate, and see how they present themself, and see how they handle the pressure that is being placed on them, and judge from there. I feel Hilary is doing the best job.

So she's naive and corrupt yet you were just saying you trust her?

02-06-2008, 05:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
Miltamec Soundsquinaez Aural melody discerner Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: in a truck down by the interstate Posts: 347	She isn't pro-war. It's suggested that she voted 'for' the war in Iraq. However, all that she voted for was that we proceed in going into Iraq to search for nuclear weapons. She has stated many times that if she knew then, what she knows now, she would have never voted for it. She was naive, and has admitted to it, to think that Bush wouldn't abuse his power, and turn it into the situation it is today. I think we can all agree that all politicians, and every person running for the current nominations are extremely corrupt in some way or another. I don't need anyone to tell me that. All I can do is just watch each candidate, and see how they present themself, and see how they handle the pressure that is being placed on them, and judge from there. I feel Hilary is doing the best job. Hilary seems to be natural when she talks at debates, in speeches, whatnot. To me, she doesn't seem like she's trying to cram something down our throats (= agenda) like the other candidates. That's just me, though. Last edited by Miltamec Soundsquinaez; 02-06-2008 at 05:59 PM. Reason: editing for reason

02-06-2008, 05:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
~~The Unfan~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Methville Posts: 2,116	I don't trust Clinton. She is pro-war and intends on mandating health care without trying to lower or even balance cost in any way. She's practically a republican parading as a democrat.