Miltamec Soundsquinaez

Is this the post you were referring to ProggyMan? Wow, I'm so enlightened now by McCain's outlook on the war.
What are you, Crowquill's older brother now? He needs some little bamboo-legged grade schooler to come back him up every time he disagrees with someone in a forum?

ProggyMan

If bamboo legged meant something I'd probably make a witty comeback. But seriously? Are you doing this because you have no real arguement? My point was that McCain and the rest of the GOP only support the war because that's what's popular right now.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez

erh, erh (buzzer sound) wrong again. I am operating on an idleaire computer, which plugs into truck, and won't allow me to open 2 window, thus won't allow me to provide links. However, if you do research on this subject, I'm sure you will find more than enough info. backing me up.

Yeah, Falwell wasa jerk, and I'm glad you've decided to go along with the idea of 'better of 2 evils' as sad of a reality as it is. With that said, it appears as though you would vote for McCain over Hilary. I guess hating a homophobic evangelist is much higher on your agenda than establishing peaceful relationships with other countries.


That doesn't mean he can't run as an independent.


touche, but I doubt she's as bad as anyone else.



I never said people's pick, yes, she can take criticism. She calmly asserts her philosophy on the war without getting defensive. I was just wondering do you watch the debates, or just read nasty stuff about her on the interweb? Don't act like she's the one that got us into the war. Like I said earlier, she always tells the story the same, and does admit that she made a mistake. Somehow, you've confused her with Bush. Clearly, any candidate we put in there is going to be more or less the same, and so I agree with Obama that it is us, the people of America, who need to change this country. I would however like to see either a black person or a woman elected, just so maybe it would cut down on some of the racism or sexism.

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oh, you think we should vote someone in just because they're black, or they're a woman? That's stupid.
No, but in this case, I feel good about both of those candidates. For anyone who thinks there's a big difference in Democrats and Republicans, you're just plain wrong. They're basically the same, minus a few ideological differences. If it's going to be all the same, no matter who we put in there, I would love to see a minority or woman. You don't see the kind of racism, and sh*t that I do on a daily basis, so I feel I'm entitled.
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You're so anti-anti-affirmative action Used2lguy, and anti-anti-anti-sexist, it makes me sick.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez

Actually, McCain has defended the war all along, and has been juvilant lately that some FoxNews schemesters have put together some kind of stats that show the war is going good. Actually, the war has not improved, since 2006, and their government hasn't made much progress. Their claiming it's a success strictly on the merit of the sectarian violence is down. However, the situation, in that country is still no better than it was when we entered, so looking for some kind of little moral victory in that, is just downright pathetic.
I'm referring to the Republicans, not you ProggyMan.

ProggyMan

He ****ing set records for donors of $200 or less.





What the hell is with this? No one ever said anything about Dennis Kucinich, I have no idea why you keep going with this ridiculous arguement.


Lol. Evidence has been presented that Obama's not bad. All you've done is contradict yourself and ramble on about how she's the lesser of all the evils.
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tkpb938

Who are you to say that the war isn't going well? Have you been there? Or is all your information from CNN which is just as biased on the left as FOX is on the right? I have a brother-in-law in Afghanistan now, and he feels that he is actually do something to help the people there. He has stories about making friends with Iraqi kids, etc. etc. Its not like they're just sitting there doing nothing...

I think bush was retarded going into the war, but I believe that now that were stuck in this quagmire, it'd be better to finish what we started, not only for the sake of those who've given their lives there, but also for the sake of the Iraqis who would be screwed over if we leave. (sorry if that sentence was an incoherent mess. I'm really tired)

Miltamec Soundsquinaez

I don't know what that means.


That's not true. I'm referring back to an earlier thread, where Crowquill endorsed Kucinich for president. Not everything ever posted on here was within the last 24 hours.



Lol. Evidence has been presented that Obama's not bad. All you've done is contradict yourself and ramble on about how she's the lesser of all the evils.
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Just because Obama is the media darling right now, is probably why you don't think he looks bad. Clinton is being portrayed as the devil of some sorts. We all need to become completely disenfranchised from the media, and then we can come back and look at this race objectively.

sleepy jack

I did look, I just looked again. I've found several things specifically stating he doesn't, even the official Barack Obama site and I've even found him Edwards critisizing Clinton for taking money for lobbyists. So please, provide me with these links you supposedly have.

I said McCain is who I'd pick for the republicans stop trying to put words in my mouth.

Um, what part of isn't in the race anymore don't you understand? He dropped out.

Yeah because she's worse.

Um you were saying she had the peoples interest at heart.

Where did she say she was wrong on the War? I know she's changed her opinion on it but I've never seen her admit she was wrong.

I do and even if I didn't I'm still providing evidence to back up my claims while you're just making things up.

She supported it.

I've yet to see her admit it also how have I confused her with Bush? Stop putting words in my mouth, I never said anything to even indicate any sort of confusion.

This isn't high school, you don't just go "Oh I'm going to vote for them based on their gender or race so I can prove a point" and completely ignore any of their issues or beliefs.

What did that have to do with anything? They're not the same, Obama isn't anywhere near the amount of a corporate whore Hillary is and at least he doesn't change opinions defending on who's funding him.

Oh boohoo, if that was true and people blindly believed the media she wouldn't be doing so well would she?

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ProggyMan

McCain supported the War for the past year.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez

I just googled Obama lobbyists, and found an article in the Boston Globe that says specifically, Obama took from lobbyists, and yet for some reason, has chosen to attack Clinton on that topic.
That's weird that you would have found something supporting your argument on Obama's website. Politician's websites are usually the most slanderous of their own underhandedness.



You do realize, the winner from each party of these nominations will eventually battle each other in this big showdown called the *2008 presidential election* don't you? Let me put it in the form of a question. Would you vote for McCain over Clinton, if McCain won R's and Clinton won D's?



From my understanding, he dropped out of the race for nomination of electorate under the 2 major parties. He can still run as an independent. Even I can run.

no, she's the same


She does. I'm aware that she appears as being fake sometimes, but you can't run a campaign by just stating facts. You have to glitz it up a bit, and do all kinds of fancy photo-ops. Al Gore found that out the hard way.


Her opinion on it changed the day that she found out, it was going to be a full-blown war. Like I stated earlier, she didn't know at the time that what she was voting on was the war. She only voted for the troops to go over and look for the WMD's. It's not the same thing as the war. Bush basically took that initial go-ahead, and then made it troop surge after troop surge until he made it the situation it is today. That's why everyone was so mad about the war, remember? Bush said we were going to look for WMD's, and then it turned out he had a different agenda altogether-to get the man who tried to murder his dad (Sadam) and now that we've got him, we continues to compound his mistakes by trying to make it look like he wasn't lying.



Yeah, it's pretty fun. I'm always right in my own mind.


I pre-emptively made that comment in the previous post and responded to it, just so I wouldn't have to deal with it later. I already said, the 2 parties are the same, and if you already know that I think Obama and Clinton are the best candidates (I've already stated this many times, and I did so on the merit of their political ideas), then why should it matter to you that I think it's a plus that one is a minority, and one is a woman. It shouldn't


My thinking is more down the line, where Hilary is going to get voted against in the actual presidential election by people who swear (it's not just because she's a woman, it's her, see the T.V. agh! She made an evil face!) I'm worried that all this B.S. propaganda is going to cost her the presidency, and it saddens me that some people won't even vote for her, because of such specious reasoning.