The Bitch Box

Trollheart · 02-20-2021, 07:38 AM

Think outside the box, say I!

02-20-2021, 08:25 AM

Adidas, they sound like dossers who are taking their positions for granted tbh, I'd sack them as well. Also credit to you for giving someone inexperienced a try even if it didn't work out.

02-20-2021, 12:20 PM

My job is using 5 different temp agencies to recruit people and virtually all of them wash out if not within days then weeks. They can't find anyone. Its strange cause I've had a lot of temp jobs and this one is better than most you will find. They literally will hire you on after 3 months no BS. And the work itself isn't the worst either. And the pay is better than most other places. And still people wash out so quick. Get overwhelmed and quit . I try telling them it can seem hard at first you just have to get used to it but if you stick around and show improvement they'll hire you on. Doesn't matter. One by one they either quit or get fired for being useless. People keep saying "people just don't want to work anymore." I don't get it. That's nothing new. Nobody ever wanted to work. You do it cause you need the money. Next place the temps send you ain't gonna be much better than here.

**Exo** · 02-20-2021, 02:45 PM

I consider a lot of people on here to be friends so I get irritated by strangers telling me how to converse with my friends.

02-20-2021, 04:25 PM

What strangers are telling you how to post on MB?

Anteater · 02-20-2021, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Just a medium sized rant:

Ok so I'm on my 4th employee here in Malaysia, first I hired a trainee fresh out of college practically, seeing as how difficult it is for such people to find jobs with no experience (I was also miraculously hired straight out of college so wanted to give something back to the universe), turned out a bust, no effort, very passive, loads of mistakes, little to no prospect of improvement. Had to let her go after two probation periods. Second batch I said, no more trainees thanks, I'd rather not bother training someone from scratch, let's go for someone more experienced, so I hired someone with 10 years of experience (as a senior) and a medium experience person with some 5-6 years of experience. The junior person did her very best, was super professional, showed up on time, was willing to learn. She had some problems, but made up for it with effort. The senior person was the total opposite, showed up late, wasn't at her desk for hours at a time, kept receiving packages from online shopping at work, didn't finish her tasks on time, left for vacation without finishing or transferring her tasks, was making a lot of mistakes and didn't really know how to do things independently, even though she was supposed to be a senior (and her salary was of a senior). So I let her go after 2 probationary periods (she is now suing us for wrongful dismissal even though she was on a probation period, lol).

Then the junior quit because she found a better job and I had to find a replacement. I didn't feel like going through another recruitment process so the MD suggested someone who was already there, from another department that moved away and now they were struggling to find work for her and he didn't feel it was right to let her go so soon after hiring her. I was a bit wary since this was a person who was already on a permanent basis so no probationary period but I interviewed her and she seemed enthusiastic and smart.

3 months later, we are having problems. She is making stupid mistakes that I keep having to correct (and she never says ok, sorry about that, I'll make sure to pay more attention in the future). But a bigger problem for me and something I just can't understand is the work ethic. We are all forced to work from home so obviously it's not the same as being in the office but we are also all equipped with computers and messenger apps (Teams). So obviously, if I send you a message or an e-mail and you respond several hours later, I know you were not at your laptop working. This happened more than once (and of course, she never says, sorry I was [invent an obvious lie but at least try to justify it]).

Now, I don't want to be an *******, so I don't want to say anything about it for now, but I'm just wondering, what kind of person behaves like this? Not just the last one, but 3 out of 4. If you're hired on a good job, with a good salary in a good and stable company, isn't your primary focus to do everything possible to keep that job? I don't ask for much, really, just that someone shows they're at least trying and are taking things seriously. I just don't understand what could possibly be going through their minds. If my boss calls me I make sure I am available morning noon and night. Why? Because I not so much like my job as much as my salary and the roof over my head and I know that finding another job like this especially in these times is going to be extremely difficult, so I make sure that I do everything in my power for them to have a great difficulty in letting me go.

I don't understand why everyone doesn't think/act the same way. I thought maybe they come from well off families but it's not the case.

I am mystified.

That's because even though everyone wants a job where they can Zoom in, do everything digitally, net a high salary and not have to get crammed into a cubicle somewhere...they still don't like the fact that they actually have to spend time working under supervision. People are fundamentally lazy creatures who like to do things on their terms or not at all. They want all the perks of being the owner of a company but without any of the investment or actual risk that went into creating the business. And privately owned companies aren't offering stakes in the pie unless you are being brought on early on one of those startups that got past a few seed rounds.

The Batlord · 02-20-2021, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

That's because even though everyone wants a job where they can Zoom in, do everything digitally, net a high salary and not have to get crammed into a cubicle somewhere...they still don't like the fact that they actually have to spend time working under supervision. People are fundamentally lazy creatures who like to do things on their terms or not at all. They want all the perks of being the owner of a company but without any of the investment or actual risk that went into creating the business. And privately owned companies aren't offering stakes in the pie unless you are being brought on early on one of those startups that got past a few seed rounds.

And any of you venture capitalists in America want access to the capitalist apparatus that already exists to give you preferred access to the economy like a road allows you to drive but you don't want to admit the existence of this capitalist apparatus cause it would make you look less like someone taking a serious risk and more like someone fulfilling beaurocratic hoops.

Anteater · 02-20-2021, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

And any of you venture capitalists in America want access to the capitalist apparatus that already exists to give you preferred access to the economy like a road allows you to drive but you don't want to admit the existence of this capitalist apparatus cause it would make you look less like someone taking a serious risk and more like someone fulfilling beaurocratic hoops.

People can fight over "preferred access" to the economy all they want, but in most places it just comes down to marketing if you have something worth selling.

The Batlord · 02-20-2021, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

People can fight over "preferred access" to the economy all they want, but in most places it just comes down to marketing if you have something worth selling.

The point is that if generations hadn't built the capitalist apparatus you use to benefit yourself you'd have nothing. You use the labor of others and pretend it is your own so that you can claim glory entirely for yourself even though you are just like anyone else who uses the work of your fellow man to lift yourself alongside each other but in a system that tells you to pretend otherwise and steal credit.

02-20-2021, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the 2nd part of this doesn't necessarily support the first

and the idea of "lazy" here doesn't hold up to much scrutiny

people will often cease to think of "work" when they're performing a creative task under their own control...even if the task requires a large amount of effort

what people seem to have an aversion to is authority and monotony

Yeah people aren't lazy in general when they are doing something they value or care about.. naturally we are pre wired to enjoy putting forth an effort into something when it genuinely pays off

Problem is that very few people can find jobs they are truly passionate about. Most settle for something they can tolerate with decent compensation and then the bottom of the totum pole is pure wage slaves taking what they can get and resenting it at the same time

The real bottom line is we assume somehow that the default state should be happiness and fulfillment. Our ancestors never had that presumption. Whether you're talking feudal Europe, the Roman empire, Mesopotamia, or primitive hunter gatherer tribes... The default for the average Joe is you spend your good years toiling away at labor you'd rather not do in order to maintain your lifestyle. So you earn those few and far between moments when you can do something you actually want to do for the sake of it. That's the real human condition.

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02-20-2021, 07:38 AM	#24431 (permalink)
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02-20-2021, 02:45 PM	#24434 (permalink)
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02-20-2021, 08:25 AM	#24432 (permalink)
Cuthbert Guest Posts: n/a	Adidas, they sound like dossers who are taking their positions for granted tbh, I'd sack them as well. Also credit to you for giving someone inexperienced a try even if it didn't work out.

02-20-2021, 12:20 PM	#24433 (permalink)
jwb Guest Posts: n/a	My job is using 5 different temp agencies to recruit people and virtually all of them wash out if not within days then weeks. They can't find anyone. Its strange cause I've had a lot of temp jobs and this one is better than most you will find. They literally will hire you on after 3 months no BS. And the work itself isn't the worst either. And the pay is better than most other places. And still people wash out so quick. Get overwhelmed and quit . I try telling them it can seem hard at first you just have to get used to it but if you stick around and show improvement they'll hire you on. Doesn't matter. One by one they either quit or get fired for being useless. People keep saying "people just don't want to work anymore." I don't get it. That's nothing new. Nobody ever wanted to work. You do it cause you need the money. Next place the temps send you ain't gonna be much better than here.

02-20-2021, 04:25 PM	#24435 (permalink)
jwb Guest Posts: n/a	What strangers are telling you how to post on MB?