i guess that makes me a nerd d00d!!

to bad, i wish i was as dark and cool as you. ill go listen to marilyn manson and see if that helps.

see now you're twisting my words. I never said that all athiests shared the same values, nor did I say that all religious people shared the same values. I'm merely saying that its completely unreasonable to say that people fro whom religion is a large part of their lives have more morals or a stronger sense of right and wrong. I also did not say that believing in god was weak, it's just something that I've personally come to believe to be untrue. I know many very religious people, and I dont think them weak minded or blind followers, though there are people who do blindly follow a religion without taking into account their own opinion or attempting to form their own values outside of their religion.

just as there are the same amount of people who are athiest just so they can be cool or to be dark or whatever it is. all i know is that for some people, its just another trend.

I think we may have a language barrier over here. In England agnostics are more focused on science and theory rather than non-believers, who simply contest that they do not know, and make no attempt to answer the unanswerable questions. Agnostics are more the open-minded, rather than the disinterested.

Which may have been the same meaning as you have over there, but I figured I'd just make certain.

Personally, I wouldn't class myself as agnostic, because I have no intention of ever attempting to find out the answers to the questions of faith and religion.

I completely agree with you there. There are many who are just going along with the trend of rebelling against the belief in a higher power, and those people are completely pathetic. I however am not one of them. I came to my beliefs on my own terms and for my own reasons, and I have many reasons to back up my beliefs on the subject, as I'm sure you have to back up you're belief that there is a higher power. It's the people that reject the idea of God because they think it to be rebelious or in some way unique and distinctive, or the people who blindly follow their chosen faith without interpreting the teachings in their own minds and considering weather the ideals held by that faith truly coincide with their own who are weaker minded.

hmm, well thats about all i have to say about that!... actually na i was just looking over the thread. at the first page i was ready to jump in and start posting stuff.. the more i pages i went through until the last, i realised that everything i would say has already been said.. damn you jibber. well yea.

wtf............ marilyn manson scares the sh*t out of me. i cant see were your comming from man sorry.

who really cares if david frost belives in god. i mean i did and i still kinda do but who knows. does that effect what kind of person he can be?

apparently it doesnt make me badass.


that makes me sad.

i know whoever said that is a total douche. yea thats right whoever u are ur a douche.