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sleepy jack 10-16-2008 07:51 PM

Conservapedia
 
Tired of that left leaning wikipedia? Try conservapedia: the trustworthy encyclopedia!

Main Page - Conservapedia

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If elected, Obama would likely become the first Muslim President, and could use the Koran to be sworn into office.[5][6]
Fox News Channel: Not a Conservative Bias, but an Anti-Elitist Approach! - Conservapedia

And don't worry brits, it's not just all American stuff.

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Margaret Hilda Thatcher (nee Roberts), later Baroness Thatcher of Kesteven (born October 13, 1925), was Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1979 to 1990, the first woman to hold the position. With the possible exceptions of Harold Macmillan and (less frequently) Tony Blair, she is usually regarded as the greatest post-WWII Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.

RoemerMW 10-16-2008 09:29 PM

Lol, I love this site. It's so horribly biased it's funny.

sleepy jack 10-16-2008 09:45 PM

I love the article on Atheism: "The atheist Joseph Stalin was a brutal communist dictator." It's like saying when he wasn't burning bibles and destroying churches he dabbled in politics.

sleepy jack 10-16-2008 09:49 PM

The John McCain article is priceless too: "He was defeated by George W. Bush for the Republican presidential nomination in 2000, and in 2008 kept his distance from the president, despite efforts of Democrats to paint the two as close allies."

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/buzze...cainbushug.jpg

Damn you liberal photoshoppers!

sleepy jack 10-16-2008 10:01 PM

http://www.conservapedia.com/images/...eral_Brain.jpg

sleepy jack 10-16-2008 10:32 PM

Okay this site is killing me. Operation Iraqi Freedom is brilliant, as is the article on activist Tipper Gore and intellectual Ann Coulter.

http://www.conservapedia.com/images/6/6b/Al_and_GW.png

RoemerMW 10-17-2008 01:32 AM

Their examples of bias in Wikipedia is hilarious. And in their section on dinosaurs, they actually mention that dinosaurs and humans could have lived in the same time period!

TheBig3 10-17-2008 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 531778)

Liberals brains have a random picture of Che in there huh? sweet.

It **** like this that makes me hate republicans. I mean I supposedly have a "smarter than though section?" At least i'm saying my reasoning comes from other people. This "my vision comes from god" bull**** couldn't possibly be more elitist.

Edit: Homosexual Porn Baron Funds Obama Campaign [24]
One of Obama's major financial backers, and a member of his National Finance Committee, is Terrence Bean, who made his fortune by the production and dissemination of homosexual pornography. The moral decrepitude of this candidate is made clear by the company he keeps.

simply amazing.

WaspStar 10-17-2008 01:34 PM

Religious Upbringing and Culture Affects Rates of Homosexuality - Conservapedia



...my faith in human nature continues to erode.

FaSho 10-17-2008 02:32 PM

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CONSERVAPEDIA COMMANDMENTS


Everything you post must be true and verifiable
lolz i think that rule has been broken

Wifey Boozer 10-17-2008 06:23 PM

Did someone make that site as a joke?

The Monkey 10-20-2008 08:38 AM

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After the Flood, these kangaroos, bred from the Ark passengers, migrated to Australia. There is debate whether this migration happened over land with lower sea levels during the post-flood ice age, or before the super-continent of Pangea broke apart.
Kangaroo - Conservapedia

This site is the greatest source of comedy on the internet.

Applenux 10-20-2008 10:04 AM

When I read this name... conservapedia... I KNOW I will laugh while reading this ! :D

Inuzuka Skysword 10-20-2008 04:50 PM

The funny thing is, the Marxism present in liberals' minds is true, whether they want to recognize it or not. If there was a liberapedia it would be just as bad.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 10-20-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey (Post 533130)
Kangaroo - Conservapedia

This site is the greatest source of comedy on the internet.

yet you failed to include

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Originally Posted by Conservapedia
Evolution

The evolutionary view is that kangaroos and other marsupials evolved from a common marsupial ancestor which lived hundreds of millions of years ago.

which was right under your quote.

The Unfan 10-20-2008 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 533322)
The funny thing is, the Marxism present in liberals' minds is true, whether they want to recognize it or not. If there was a liberapedia it would be just as bad.

I highly doubt that. Similarity in belief is not the same thing as presence of the other belief. Liberals aren't Marxists, but Marxism borrows heavily from liberalism and can even be classified as the extreme end there of. Honestly, I think you're going up the wrong end of a slippery slope.

Inuzuka Skysword 10-20-2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 533344)
I highly doubt that. Similarity in belief is not the same thing as presence of the other belief. Liberals aren't Marxists, but Marxism borrows heavily from liberalism and can even be classified as the extreme end there of. Honestly, I think you're going up the wrong end of a slippery slope.

Oh well, it is all altruism. :)

sleepy jack 10-20-2008 09:49 PM

Which is an evil evil evil thing.

Inuzuka Skysword 10-20-2008 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 533449)
Which is an evil evil evil thing.

It is. It doesn't allow man to consider himself as a rational being. If man does not consider himself as a rational being then he doesn't care about his survival or his life. Man has no care of life itself if this is the case and altruism becomes contradictory.

sleepy jack 10-20-2008 10:23 PM

Quite right because the other extreme, selfishness is a much better virtue to build a country on.

Predator 10-20-2008 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 533344)
I highly doubt that. Similarity in belief is not the same thing as presence of the other belief. Liberals aren't Marxists, but Marxism borrows heavily from liberalism and can even be classified as the extreme end there of. Honestly, I think you're going up the wrong end of a slippery slope.

I think you're in love with the slippery slope.

Fruitonica 10-21-2008 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 533322)
The funny thing is, the Marxism present in liberals' minds is true, whether they want to recognize it or not. If there was a liberapedia it would be just as bad.

Perhaps, but in both cases the sites would have been established by self righteous and dangerously certain individuals who simply wish to insulate themselves from conflicting opinion. The whole concept of creating an encyclopedia with an obvious bias is moronic.

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 533452)
It is. It doesn't allow man to consider himself as a rational being. If man does not consider himself as a rational being then he doesn't care about his survival or his life. Man has no care of life itself if this is the case and altruism becomes contradictory.

What? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. Altruism doesn't preclude a man to value his survival, it's entirely possible to concern yourself with both your own life and others. I certainly try to give to others, sometimes at the expense of my own wishes (altruism), but I am still a rational human being.

You seem to be advocating greed and a self-centered approach to life which you try to justify to yourself by calling altruism evil.

The Unfan 10-21-2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Predator (Post 533463)
I think you're in love with the slippery slope.

Its certainly a lot smoother than other slopes.

The Monkey 10-21-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN (Post 533340)
yet you failed to include



which was right under your quote.

But it's implying that the flood stuff is a possibility.
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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 533344)
I highly doubt that. Similarity in belief is not the same thing as presence of the other belief. Liberals aren't Marxists, but Marxism borrows heavily from liberalism and can even be classified as the extreme end there of. Honestly, I think you're going up the wrong end of a slippery slope.

What are you talking about? Marxism developed as an attack on liberalism, or rather its economic doctrine, capitalism. They are fundamentally opposed. It is true that certain parts of the liberal movement was influenced by socialist ideas and developed into social liberalism, particularly in John Stuart Mill's doctrine. But Marx's ideas about the proletariat's complete control over the means of production, among other things, goes against the basic philosophies of liberalism.

The Unfan 10-21-2008 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey (Post 533620)
But it's implying that the flood stuff is a possibility.

What are you talking about? Marxism developed as an attack on liberalism, or rather its economic doctrine, capitalism. They are fundamentally opposed. It is true that certain parts of the liberal movement was influenced by socialist ideas and developed into social liberalism, particularly in John Stuart Mill's doctrine. But Marx's ideas about the proletariat's complete control over the means of production, among other things, goes against the basic philosophies of liberalism.

Are you definining liberalism strictly as classical liberalism?

The Monkey 10-21-2008 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 533676)
Are you definining liberalism strictly as classical liberalism?

No, but you said that "Marxism borrows heavily from liberalism", which means that Marx in the mid 19th century borrowed from contemporary liberalism, what we now call classical liberalism, which is outright false.

The only thing liberalism and Marxism have in common is that they're both children of the Enlightenment, but socialism or ideas similar to it had existed long before Marx came along.

The Unfan 10-21-2008 02:57 PM

Marxism has very similar ideas to liberalism, at least theoretically. Especially in regards to culture. They both want to grant the people as many freedoms as possible with as little government interaction as possible. Both classical liberalism and marxism make the assumption that the people know what is best for their own persons. The key difference is that liberalism embraces the class divide where Marx assumed it was the cause of a lot of problems.

CAPTAIN CAVEMAN 10-21-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey (Post 533620)
But it's implying that the flood stuff is a possibility.

of course it's a possiblity. what the fuck do you know about any of that sort of stuff?

The Monkey 10-21-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 533703)
Marxism has very similar ideas to liberalism, at least theoretically. Especially in regards to culture. They both want to grant the people as many freedoms as possible with as little government interaction as possible. Both classical liberalism and marxism make the assumption that the people know what is best for their own persons. The key difference is that liberalism embraces the class divide where Marx assumed it was the cause of a lot of problems.

Well, the Marxists assume that the proletariat all have common needs and wants. There isn't an individual perspective on the personal needs of the single worker (or farmer). They rather lump them all together and claim to know what each and everyone of them wants. You're right though that both Marxism and liberalism assume than man is at heart good.
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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN CAVEMAN (Post 533755)
of course it's a possiblity. what the fuck do you know about any of that sort of stuff?

How is a possibility? It's not supported by factual evidence. Just because it's written down in some fictional story in an old book doesn't put it on the same level as scientific theories.

Inuzuka Skysword 10-21-2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fruitonica (Post 533537)
Perhaps, but in both cases the sites would have been established by self righteous and dangerously certain individuals who simply wish to insulate themselves from conflicting opinion. The whole concept of creating an encyclopedia with an obvious bias is moronic.

Oh I totally agree. I just wanted to make sure that everyone didn't just bash on conservatives as if they are the only absolute evil.

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What? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say. Altruism doesn't preclude a man to value his survival, it's entirely possible to concern yourself with both your own life and others. I certainly try to give to others, sometimes at the expense of my own wishes (altruism), but I am still a rational human being.
Altruism specifically calls for putting another's interests above your own. If this is the case, then you put another's life before your own. If you put another life before your own, you do not care about your own survival because your own life is not your highest value.

Giving to others isn't necessarily altruism. You can give to others in your own rational self interest. It is just that you must never give more than you will receive. Otherwise you are irrational.

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You seem to be advocating greed and a self-centered approach to life which you try to justify to yourself by calling altruism evil.
My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.

—Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged 35th anniversary edition

Now I do not follow this philosophy because I am irrational and chose religion (Christianity,) but this philosophy is the most logical philosophy out there.

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Quite right because the other extreme, selfishness is a much better virtue to build a country on.
Rational self-interest.

Fruitonica 10-21-2008 08:44 PM

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Altruism specifically calls for putting another's interests above your own. If this is the case, then you put another's life before your own. If you put another life before your own, you do not care about your own survival because your own life is not your highest value.

Giving to others isn't necessarily altruism. You can give to others in your own rational self interest. It is just that you must never give more than you will receive. Otherwise you are irrational.
Do you think only in extremes? The gaping flaw in your argument is the ridiculous extrapolation that you cannot value your life if it isn't your highest priority.

Also, giving to others without expecting a return is only irrational if you adopt a selfish approach to life where personal gain is your greatest ambition.

Double X 10-22-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 533859)
Rational self-interest.

Sweden is basically socialist and they are doing quite well.

The Unfan 10-22-2008 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 533859)
but this philosophy is the most logical philosophy out there.

No it isn't. Ayn Rand was crazy. Truly one of the worst philosophers of all time.

Inuzuka Skysword 10-22-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 534278)
No it isn't. Ayn Rand was crazy. Truly one of the worst philosophers of all time.

How? You are going to actually have to point out some flaws in it so that you make any sense.

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Do you think only in extremes? The gaping flaw in your argument is the ridiculous extrapolation that you cannot value your life if it isn't your highest priority.
Altruism according to wikipedia is:

"Altruism is selfless concern for the welfare of others."

Selfless, meaning one does not value his interests above others.

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Sweden is basically socialist and they are doing quite well.
Socialism is slavery. If one cannot own what he works for then it is slavery. I don't care where it is going. Forcing one to give up property rights for your illogical beliefs is contradictory to the idea that another's interests should go before theirs.

The Monkey 10-22-2008 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 534290)
Socialism is slavery. If one cannot own what he works for then it is slavery. I don't care where it is going. Forcing one to give up property rights for your illogical beliefs is contradictory to the idea that another's interests should go before theirs.

What about those who cannot work? What about those whose jobs and money have been lost due to an economic crisis? What about the old, whose pension can no longer cover the necessities of life? What about the children born into poor families with little hope for higher education? Equal opportunity doesn't exist in today's society.

Inuzuka Skysword 10-22-2008 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey (Post 534293)
What about those who cannot work? What about those whose jobs and money have been lost due to an economic crisis? What about the old, whose pension can no longer cover the necessities of life? What about the children born into poor families with little hope for higher education? Equal opportunity doesn't exist in today's society.

All rights come from man's right to his own life. Nothing be a right if it violates someone else's right to life. Property rights are rights based on the right to life because a man must own property in order to sustain himself.

Society shouldn't have to care about those people. Charity can still be given to people because it is voluntary. Secondly, there has never been a truly free market in the world. In a truly free market, rational people will make it to the top. Kids inheriting companies from their dad's will probably not happen unless the kid knows the business well.

The Unfan 10-22-2008 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 534290)
How? You are going to actually have to point out some flaws in it so that you make any sense.

If reason is the only absolutely you can not reason out other absolutes. For instance, time is not absolute for time is not reason. However if you could reasonably determine that time necessarily exists than you must discard your previous stance.

Fruitonica 10-22-2008 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 534290)
Altruism according to wikipedia is:

"Altruism is selfless concern for the welfare of others."

Selfless, meaning one does not value his interests above others.

That addresses nothing about my post. From here explain how valuing someone's interest above your own means you cannot place any value on your own life.

Applenux 10-23-2008 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 534290)
Socialism is slavery. If one cannot own what he works for then it is slavery.

If one have to pay for hospital and can be killed legally, even if he's under 18, how do you call that ? A lot of people in the world would call that dictatorship. I call that USA.

And socialism DOESN'T mean you can't own what you work for. It means that even if you can't buy, food, health..., you can have it.

(USSR was a dictatorship, that's true, but every socialists nations aren't)

anticipation 10-23-2008 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Unfan (Post 534278)
No it isn't. Ayn Rand was crazy. Truly one of the worst philosophers of all time.

yeah, developing a healty self-esteem and living life to the fullest sound like horrible ideas to me too.


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