okay I got it.

He did. he mentioned meat. it was clear.

I suggest you read up first on nutritional needs of human beings. you can get the nutrition you get from meat from other sources. for example, you can get protein from peanuts, calcium from soy. etc.

also when you present your argument, you have to be clear. when you say "need to eat meat", is that need based on nutrition? because "need" denotes and connotes necessity for survival. you don't need meat to survive. you can survive without it. BUT if you are using the word "need" loosely, then be clear about it so other people here would understand you clearly.

another point, when you say "God knows...", it would be helpful to present a substantiation like what others do here. there are different beliefs or non-beliefs about God.

if you want to eat meat, that's your deal and we respect. i think that's clear in many of the posts here.

what we are just trying to make you understand is that just because you don't like vegetarianism, it doesn't make it wrong or inferior. the same way we don't think eating meat is wrong or inferior.

and don't regard vegetables or fruits as worse than meat because they are not. the same way meat is not worse than vegetables. it all boils down to preference and priorities. i mentioned this because you said "He knows humans deserve somthing better than plain coleslaw for lunch". some people here might actually prefer plain coleslaw.

just try and be clear. substantiate your argurments. read up on the subject.

my mother is from Cebu. i visited only once but i am proud of our heritage. and according to your data, that's where you are from too. that's why i made an effort to write this lengthy post.

so i hope you don't take this the wrong way. i'm just concerned.

i think the word he is struggling for is "more evolved"

i'm lost, dazed and confused - reminds me of an argument i had on facebook -some girl was talking about cruelty to animals (a dog) so i asked her "are you a vegetarian then?" then there was this whole thing about cows being "inferior" to dogs

he was talking about aliens being far-fetched earlier

the secret is safe with me whether i really did have relations with sheep - just to keep you quesing

i really dunno, tore - i've read somewhere that most animals that do eat humans don't really like our taste, like if you were attacked by a man-eating shark, it's probably because it mistook you for a seal

they're just hungry, they don't have a choice, we do

what he/she said

edit:- the God that the Virgin mentioned about giving meat exclusively for consumption to us is along the lines of a Universal God, which is untrue, and he didn't even interpret the Bible correctly

firstly, there are no passages in the Bible stating that animals are exclusive for consumption to us, there are only passages saying there's no restriction on what you can eat. and I read this along the lines of a reaction to Judaisitic law on "no pork", similar to "yes you can work on a Sabbath day" was a reaction to "do nothing on the Sabbath"

secondly, there is no Universal God for all the peoples of the world, whereas Christians are allowed to eat ALL meat, Jews and Muslims can't eat pork (using his line of argument, is a pig a sacred animal, then?, and above us) no - the pig is just a filthy animal to them and cannot be eaten

thirdly, popular non-Abrahamic religions in the East like Hinduism and Buddhism, regard the consumption of only veggies highly thought of and will reward the practitioner in the Karmic cycle, "pure" Buddhists don't even kill ants and the highest caste of Hindus, the Brahmas (priests) are vegetarians - so I guess the Virgin is saying a Christian God is above Buddha, Vishnu, Ganesh etc?

I don't mean to get into a religious back and forth but according to Christianity those other Gods are just false idols and yes they think that they are above the Gods from those other religion.

well, that's according to the Bible

i mean according to the general populace of the Earth?

and my main point is that Thee Virgin can eat meat if he likes it, he doesn't need to get so defensive about it - no one here's saying "meat is murder" but using religious, moral or scientific justifications for doing so is not a proper line of reasoning

some like the taste of meat, some don't

True.


The thing about Vegetarian diet is that they will usually have a lower intake of Vitamin B and Calcium but that's more on the Vegan side of things from not consuming dairy products.

1. exactly my point. he didn't mention what part of the bible he was referencing. we dont even know if that is the Catholic bible or the Baptist bible, or whatever. we all know there are difference. that's why his arguments keep on heading South. how can we even... properly respond points with no basis? he makes claims and when someone questions it, he makes another one that is just as baseless as the previous one. he keeps on mentioning God wanting this and that for us. apparently, he is the only one who knows it. who knows? he just might have a basis and we could all learn from him. but for as long as he argues with now basis, he is just going to... continue doing what he is doing to himself. whatever that is.

2. ditto

3. that is probably what his belief is. but i am not even sure what God he is talking about. i was raised to four different religions and one of that is Catholicism. i would be the first one to say that Catholics have some... interesting beliefs about God but that God he was talking about, ain't the God of Catholics.

agree...

though soy is a good source of calcium
whole grains, potatoes, bananas, lentils, chili peppers, tempeh, beans for Vitamin B

It's not because they don't like our taste. It's because they have a history with humans in which humans mean danger and so there's been a natural selection favouring animals that are scared of humans and keep out of their way.

There are still animals that would eat humans given the chance. In a post to DJCham, I mentioned the Sundarbans.

Cold blooded animals are less shy. Large crocodilians, komodo dragons and piranhas are animals that I don't think would mind a bit of human meat in their diet.

i have studied both the Catholic and Protestant bibles, there's nothing in the Apocrypha (sorry, we Protestants call it that) also even suggesting God made animals exclusively for human consumption

thanks for your explanations and i do really appreciate everything you posted.
anyway, really? you're from Cebu once? so have you tried Lechon? you should visit here more often.

i had a friend before and he was half American, half Italian and half Filipino and he always visits Cebu every twice a year even though he now resides in Chicago.

i'm going to respond as briefly as possible to you:

God Commandment #1: I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD, YOU SHALL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE ME.

thanks for clarifying something I already know and concur with djchameleon

can you now quote me a scripture (Catholic or Protestant) that said God specially made animals for man to eat?

agree, there is nothing on the bible that says animals were created exclusively for human consumption but because he came from my mother's country, i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. based on his last post though, it aint working.

bam!

huh? "dominion" means to "rule"

not to "eat"

and that Scripture was before the fall of Adam

check what God said after Adam fell

ha! read between the lines. Rule here means we humans, have the right and priviledge to do whatever we want on animals for as long as it serves as purposes for beniftting us, humans. what do you understand by rule here? decide what clothes should cows wear?

and unless you provide example of what you said God said after Adam fell, then I'll assume that's non existing.

pointless arguing with you, isn't it?

this was the creation of the world, after that, Earth was a paradise

after Adam ate the apple, all his special privileges disappeared:-

Genesis 3 : 14 - 19

Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree about which I commanded you, You shall not eat of it
cursed is the ground because of you
in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life, thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you
and you shall eat the plants of the field
by the sweat of the your face you shall eat bread, until you return to the ground
by the sweat of your face, you are dust
and to the dust you shall return

funny it seems God wants us all to be vegetarians from the above scripture

(then again, I'm just playing your game of taking the scriptures out of context, since you are going to display such shallow knowledge of the Bible, so will I)
and to dust you shall return

my own personal belief on this is that God really didn't mean it. He was just pissed off probably cause Adam disobeyed him.

and actually, if there's anything implied here, God seems like he doesn't want them to eat that 'apple' which is a non-meat food right? hmm..and you said Gods wants us to be vegetarians? go figure.

back it up with Scripture please

if you dont have eny evidence of it, then bam!

find me a scripture of God saying:-

when I made the world, all the animals are for you to eat
then when you ate the Apple, because it's not an animal, therefore I am annoyed and am jesting with you to go eat vegetables
look! I'm only kidding - i made animals for you to eat, i reserved that much of paradise for you

(falls off the floor)

don't make fun of the Bible and most of all, God

Really??? :laughing:

yep. i think he didn't mean it. i mean He loves us and all, it's just sort of a test probably of how Adam and Eve would react if he showed emotions...hehe

i'm not making fun of God, i'm making fun of you

you said God said that, so where in the Bible did he say that?

do you even know what is the "Apple"?

and if you're so close to God, are you aware of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah?

and I don't trust men, i only trust the word of God, and I'm still waiting for the scripture that says God is annoyed with Adam so he didn't mean it, and that there is still Eden left on Earth

last time I checked, i can't pet a wild cobra or sleep with a wild tiger (that's what "dominion" means)

if you are not going to provide me with scripture about God making animals for us to eat exclusively, then i take it you know nothing about the Bible, am i correct?

and i take it you just wanna wriggle out of this by some poor excuse saying i shouldn't mock God

and i firmly believe you are the one mocking God, because nowhere in the Bible does it say God makes animals for us to eat exclusively, and God means what he says, and doesn't just say things cos he's angry

first of all, Sodom and Gomorah got punished because they were sellfish, not because they were sucking each other.

also, dominion there means basically having total control over animals. TOTAL CONTROL. for as long as we're killing animals for the sake of human survival (food, clothing, etc.), rather than killing them because of being sick psychopaths, then that is the dominion I want you to understand.

dominion as long as Earth was paradise, not after Adam and Eve got kicked out

please read the entirety of Genesis

provide me with a scripture that man still had "dominion" over the animals after the scripture of 3 : 14 -19

edit - please also provide me with scripture saying Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because the people were selfish ONLY and not because they were sinful AT ALL

Bam!

Ezekiel 16:49
“‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

read my request properly - i'm not saying one of the reasons God punished Sodom was not because of selfishness

i'm saying he did so because of selfishness ONLY

read the part i bolded - there is sinfulness quoted there

so to summarise:-

you cannot find a scripture that says man still had dominion (even if i said your interpretation is wrong) over the animals, with the sole purpose to "eat" them

i asked you for a scripture that Sodom was destroyed because of selfishness ONLY, but you picked a Scripture that also pointed to sin as well

you have no basis saying that man's right to eat animals is based on the word of God

you deliberately pick and choose parts of the Bible that appeal to you

i have never heard any sermon by any priest or pastor that said God created animals specially for us to eat

therefore:-

you are merely creating conjectures based on wild assumptions with no concrete basis in the Bible or any religious teacher

you know nothing of the Bible, yet you claim superiority in knowing nd understanding it

you are so obviously trolling here

there is an obvious inferiority complex in you, that you try to upstage everyone else who knows better than you yet you still wish to assert a point everybody knows is wrong

so exactly what do you hope to accomplish anyway? i really have no idea

i'm tired of explaining myself over and over again. i'll just call it quits cause it seems like we're never going to agree on something here. have a good day!

:bonkhead:

i rest my case, Your Honour

kindly deliver your verdict now

no need for my Verdict. there wasn't even a case to begin with.

a:- making a silly ill-founded assertion
b:- when the other side makes a valid point, start getting edgy and defensive
c:- creating diversionary tactics to other irrelevant points
d:- when cannot answer the valid point, starts getting defensive
e.:- still persists on silly idea, when not accepted at all, act butthurt
f:- bail out when cannot answer
g:- starts making weird assertions that has nothing to do with the silly idea that was started

:nono:

and to answer your question of no case

you asserted a point, you have to prove it

i've struck out your point by showing there's no evidence of your point

now, can you at least stop from being thrown into jail for contempt of court as for making a conjecture without evidence?

which means :- the Judge is still waiting for the Scripture you promised that shows God made animals especially for man to eat and i don't mean "to have dominion over" when man was still in Eden......

:dj:

being evasive is not the answer the Judge wants

either give proof or concede/surrender to concrete evidence that the other side has given

i wish i can learn being a vegetarian.
i have a very poor eyesight and i may need more vitamin c which can be getting by eating fruits and vegetables. i just don't like the taste of most vegetables.

Then eat VITAMIN C?

no, i need to eat first a vegetable that has Vitamin C.
You can't eat vitamin C right away without going first thru a vegetable or fruit.

Now Foods - Vitamin C-1000 - 250 Capsules

HUH?

oh, you mean the capsule. i thought the vitamin c inside a fruit/vegetable. sorry. misunderstood you there...

:rofl: