You're grossly misinterpreting my point.

See definition: sacrifice.

And then tell me any time where an animal has sacrificed.

As I might have thought. Explain please?

is it ethical to eat yourself?

The basic message is yes I value human lives over animals lives but if given the chance I'd be just as helpful to animals as long as it wasn't detrimental to a human's life.

You can do anything you want to your own body IMO. But the law would disagree with me on that one.

Depends on your ethics.

^^that pretty much amounts to saying "everything is permitted"

Yeah but I think my ethics are the only ethical ethics and that it's ethical for me to force my ethics on you.

well, in that case...

is it ethical to eat yourself?

To what extent? I'm for self-mutilation but against cannibalism.

say you were trapped between two rocks and had to eat your arm to survive

I'd definitely choose eat my own arm.

i personally prefer to try not to think systematically

The argument shouldn't be about an animal feeling emotion.

As long as it feels pain, then it matters if it's tortured and slaughtered.

It knows what's going on.

Okay there is a point being missed here. Humans ARE animals.

Sure but there is one major difference between humans and all other animals. Humans understand they will all die one day, animals do not.


Here's what I know:

The body needs protein

Animals are the best source of protein

Most animals we consume depend on humans for their survival

Humans have teeth made for eating animals

There a hundreds of perfectly good reasons for being a vegetarian

Animals are delicious

I've slaughtered a Chicken and it did not know what was going on.

Most animals are slaughtered quickly, painlessly and humanly.

This thread has way more legs then I ever thought it would

Slaughtered yes, but when they are kept to be slaughtered, it is far from painless and humane.

Birds mostly I'd guess?

Let's put it this way: There are good people, and bad people. Good people, like you and I (I hope :p:) do not deserve to be tortured or slaughtered. Bad people, like Hitler, Stalin, and Hussein, all deserved to be tortured and slaughtered for the thousands, if not millions that they slaughtered in their day (I hope we can at least agree on that).

Animals are neutral. For the most part, they can do no good or bad in their life, unless they were trained to, and usually the thought of slaughtering trained animals doesn't come up. Now for all the various animals we eat: The only good they can do in their lifetime is to feed a family, no more and no less.

What a pointless arguement, you can't change opinions(hence why I haven't stated mine) so why bother?

Well, first of all it's fun to debate, and second of all, lots (not all) of the vegetarians are flimsy on the subject of staying loyal to it. For example, people who became vegetarians simply based on the Meet Your Meat movie are probably not going to be vegetarians for long.

My outlook on it is that humans biologically speaking are omnivores. We are supposed to eat meat AND vegetables. Science doesn't lie. There are enzymes in your stomach that exist specifically to break down meat. Further we have a combination of teeth that have uses to tear and shred meat. We are SUPPOSED to eat meat. And while I wouldn't bash anyone for choosing to be a vegetarian, from my point of view, you are wrong.

how can you be wrong for choosing what to put into your own body?

If you're talking about meat, the argument is that it's harming other things in the process. The counter-argument is that it doesn't matter because they're animals. So if someone could prove to me that animals do love, then I would be wrong.

If you're talking about drugs, then no sir, you can not be wrong :D

Your body is engineered by evolution for the capability to harm animals for sustenance.

have you ever watched "my dog skip"?

This is a tricky one but I'll shoot. Cognitive ethology/anthropomorphism makes the case that if you observe animals and apply a human interpretation of their actions based on current knowledge of mutual benefits, enjoyment, and psychology that you'll see animals displaying what we think of as "human traits." However, many argue against this field because it requires presumption which is a no-no in the science world.

On the other hand, brain scans show that animals' brains react simularly to stimulation. In fact, for the most part they release proportionate amounts of the same chemicals. This would tell us that most animals feel basic emotions for sure. Complex emotions would require much more in depth studies. I'm not sure how you would go about testing such a thing or measure the results.

Personal non-scientific experience would have me lean torward cats feeling love. This may differ from other animals. If I'm gone for long periods of time my cat will pace in and out of my room. There are always other people around the house to take care of him so it would seem odd for him to do it for personal gain outside of genuinely feeling some form of attachment.

Not all vegitarians are pacifists you know.

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Saddest movie ever.

Never seen it, but what is it about? Does someone want to eat skip?

That would have made for a much better movie.

Ha ha nah, it's not a horror it's a drama.
Heart-string-puller kind-of movie about a boy's dog. It's all sentimental and sad. And the dog dies. Etc.

The dog dies in every movie, it's so cliche.

True, but that's because dogs dying make lame people like me cry like a baby.

That about sums it up.

All this talk reminds me of a sad movie I saw when I was 9 called My Ghost Dog. And yes, the dog dies... only to come back as a ghost dog!

At least noone eats the dogs.

Until they release a Chinese version. ;)