^^to simply, it's moral relativisim

Do we really need another one of these threads?

No, not really :p:

Eh? How is the fermentation process for beer different from that of wine?

I think it's the additional sulfites in wine that does it, not the fermentation. I know if you make wine at home and use some kind of kit, they want you to add a bunch of sulfites to keep the wine from getting too fermented too quickly or something.

Also, to keep this on topic - a lot of homemade wine kits include little bags of stuff that you're supposed to add to weigh down the sediment that forms and this stuff is usually something made from shellfish. So home-vinting vegetarians beware. And I've had too much beer to back this up with technical data right now so look it up if you're interested.

This applies to some beers as well, mainly unfiltered cask ales, which use a byproduct of the swim bladders of fish called isinglass to clear excess yeast from the ale.

Interesting. I try to stay up to speed on my knowledge of animal by-products but I've never heard of isinglass before.

I haven't heard it called isinglass and I had been told fish bladders rather than swim bladders. You wonder who comes up with this stuff. I guess if the animal is killed anyway then finding a use for the by-products makes sense but I'd like to know what to avoid if I choose not to consume them.

No. It looks nasty. Give me an apple.

Did you guys know that gelatin made from animal skins is used in film for cameras? That's one thing I was never aware of. (5:13)