How so? You already admitted that your local Chinese food restaurants are of an inferior quality, i.e. similar to fast food chains like McDonald's. You've also admitted that you find the sauces to be "strong", despite most Chinese restaurants using relatively few spices when compared to other cuisines. And lastly, when criticizing Chinese food, the only critique you could come up with is that the meat dishes suck, which shows that you know almost nothing about the majority of Chinese cuisine, as it involves far more than just meat, meaning that you are basically just the kind of person that can't be bothered to look through the menu and orders the same crap every time.

Now stop trying to look down on one of the oldest and most well respected cuisines in the world just because you don't like the fast food version. Do you like noodles? You have China to thank. The earliest known examples of noodles have been traced back to there. Do you like pastries? Then you absolutely need to go to your nearest Chinese bakery and take a look at what they have:

http://www.seriouseats.com/assets_c/...457-400906.jpg

And if you like meat rather than sweet bean paste, then you need to drop everything and find a Dim Sum joint, so you can give these a try:

https://dianacookswithlove.files.wor...qporkbuns1.jpg

I don't eat noodles. Half of that post was you twisting words, same shit you did with JWB when you debated with him.

Best bit of that shit essay was when you posted this:

Do you view the food thread?

Sorry but you're missing the point of the original question.

Here's the major differences between the "tourist" Chinese food and the stuff the majority of the population eats daily.

1. Lack of seasoning. Authentic stuff isn't overly salty, sweet, sour, or hot. All you get is the taste of whatever ingredient you are eating. Although hot is the one spice that will jump out in some dishes because of the peppers used. Not because of condiments. Chinese restaurants add tons of seasoning to compliment the taste.

2. Because of overpopulation the Chinese eat everything. A regular meal is going to include all of the stuff that we'd throw out as trash. I've sat at a table trying not to throw up while watching a bunch of Chinese dudes chowing down on refuse. And they eat any and all greens. If it grows out of the ground, eat it.

3. Simplicity. Nothing fancy with standard Chinese cooking. Boil some water, start a fire, and cook it. One of the most surreal things I've ever experienced was a 'live' buffet in a hotel in China. You walked down the line filling your plate with living creepy crawly sh*t and then would flash cook it in the boiling Sterno pot sitting on your table. Again, no seasoning at all. And it was a high scale hotel.

I'm not saying you can't find really awesome Chinese food in China. Peking Duck is my hands down all time fave. But if we're going to compare American Chinese food with the authentic Chinese food it's not the same at all.

And Panda Express shouldn't even be in the conversation.

I've been craving dim sum like a mother****er. Thanks for ruining me.

You're welcome. :laughing:

You're still here? Why? Either go out and try some legitimate Chinese food (Dim Sum joints and Chinese Bakeries are a good place to start), or don't. The choice is yours. Claiming that I "twist words" is completely irrelevant, since this is all just a matter of you critiquing something that you've never even really tried before. So stop worrying so much about my words, and either try it or be silent.

Hey Oriph, have you eaten legitimate? (sorry, I'm kinda really vested in this debate)

You are desperate to get one over me aren't you :D

I've eaten western Chinese food, it is shit and not a patch on south Asian cuisine. Wing Yip HQ is in Birmingham, I've eaten at top Chinese restaurants in the UK. Chinese food is shit.

Why ignore the spice point:

And then ignore this - Lasan - Gordon Ramsay's Best Indian Restaurant – Birmingham

South Asian > Chinese. It's that simple.

There are plenty of restaurants spread throughout the US that offer traditional cooking from foreign countries, and even if some of them do add a westernized twist they maintain the essential flavors which is the most important thing.

I don't see the difference between eating food in China vs eating food in the US made by a man who just moved here from China, it's still authentic. Idk about you guys but here in NJ we have Asian markets that are legit with good quality ingredients.

^ exactly what I was getting at, DwnWthVwls.

This thing's like a shark https://vimeo.com/120192423#at=0

Yeah, I suppose I have. I grew up not far from an area that had a lot of Cantonese and Vietnamese businesses and restaurants, including tiny bakeries and gigantic Dim Sum places. So, I've always had a taste for the southern Chinese style of cooking, and southeast Asian food as well. Of course, the street-food of China (just like the street food of America) is very cheap, especially in the very-urban and very-rural areas. And yeah, China has it's fair share of very odd food: Virgin boy egg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Disregarding the entirety of a cuisine because you don't like one specific type of dish, or because a few restaurants disappointed you, is like completely giving up on a genre of writing because a few books didn't catch your attention. I've already suggested what types of restaurants you might like, and whether you try them or not is up to you; what more needs to be said?

That's a link to the homepage/reviews of an Indian restaurant. It has nothing to do with whether you've given Chinese food a fair shot, as they're completely different. And yet you keep posting it as if to say "Wow, look at me, I can post a website about Indian food!" I don't really care, and it's completely irrelevant. If you're mad because I insinuated that you're not a fan of spices, then all you had to say was "I don't like spices" and we could have talked more about just why it is that you don't like Chinese food. And yet, you decided to opt for the less subtle approach, and literally write "Chinese food is ****", and then get mad when people try to defend it.

Have you eaten at a non touristy place in China? The part bolded above kills your argument since the #1 thing they do is to add spices and flavors to win over western tastes.

I'd pay $1000 to watch you try to get down a bowl of traditional fish ball soup.

Make it a million.

I posted that to counter one of your earlier points (which you avoided and you're now moving on to another point).

Highlighted: You're either an idiot or trolling.

I'd like to see you post in the food thread.

Oh hey, here's a million dollars to try to eat some soup.

Fair enough. But not really. What you are tasting today is far removed from the traditional stuff. They had to evolve to US tastes and have done so gradually through the years/decades.

Chinese food here 35 years ago was much more authentic than it is today.

I get your point, but it's not like every restaurant has blindly given in to the tastes of Americans. I've been to big places that are very Americanized, and small places that are die-hard traditional, and there were parts of both that I both liked and disliked (though mostly things that I liked). I guess one day I'll just have to fly over to China to see if I really like the super-authentic dishes.

Thanks for insulting me. Now, if you're done, I still think you should go try a different variety of Chinese restaurants out there. You might find them very different from what you're used to. Like I said, finding a good Dim Sum joint is an amazing experience, and Chinese bakeries and specialty restaurants offer much more than what you might expect.

The spice thing was ridiculous. But fair enough & cool, you're posting a bit less aggressively now and I appreciate that.

You seem like you're into food so post in the foodbox innit.

http://www.musicbanter.com/lounge/38...ecipes-76.html

Sorry, this is the spam thread. No time for civilized conversation here. And did you say "innit"?

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I'm not arguing that a majority of places do Westernize it, but I would assume there is at least one Chinese restaurant in the entire US that serves "real" Chinese food and doesn't cater to the American palette. Regardless, the point I was trying to make is that you don't need to be in a country to get their food. Maybe in this particular case traditional Chinese food is not available to us but there are tons of classic French, Italian, Spanish, Indian, etc, spots that do not cater to the American palette.

As far as the comment about my eating goes, I'm not picky, I'd try it, might finish it. American food is probably my least favorite so I don't think I'm all that corrupted.

I'm down to try anything but shit/piss, and open minded about fermented food. I haven't tried a lot but here's some of the stuff I enjoy at least a couple times a year that a lot people won't go near: cow tongue, fish eyes, tripe, sea urchin, salmon roe(the big ones), blood sausage.

I had a friend who went to China, and he said Chinese food is almost inedible as it's basically just a bowl of grease.

Rule Britannia.

Don't bother. Most of it is gross. Really.

I know, but I like Cantonese food anyway. "Jellied Pork Knuckles", "Salted Frog", "Fishball Soup", etc., sound and look really disgusting, but I think they're actually pretty good.

My offer of a $1000 if you can get down a whole bowl of authentic fish ball soup is still standing. :D

(I prided myself on being able to stomach everything they threw at me in order to save face for my company. That was the only thing I stopped at.)

It's just fish paste.. I can't imagine it's that bad. Was it a taste thing? Texture?

That's a Western interpretation.

When they are going to cook a whole fish they clean out all of the guts and digestive tract. They take that and combine it with a bit of spices and binder and make meatballs. They then take some of the cooking broth from the main dish (to add flavor) and make a soup.

I've eaten every freaking thing served to me with a smile on my face through my travels.

I just about vomited after one bite.

I'd be down

That's what I said, Fish Paste, just because it's guts doesn't make it gross.

But it's not fish paste. WTF?

Isn't it made with ground fish?

The fish guts that everyone else outside of China throws in the garbage.

Fish paste - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It was just one of those things where you phrase it like a question, as not to sound like a knowitall bitch.

Fish ball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just because the guts were included doesn't make it any less fish paste.

Jesus Christ, this forum will argue over anything.

Decided to finally make a backup of my entire PC hard drive on my 1TB external. In case anything goes wrong with my PC, I feel like a backup would be nice to have, especially with all the games I have on Steam.

No we won't.

:laughing:

I personally thing this emoticon: :clap: is better than that one. Just my own opinion.

Yeah well that's YOUR opinion and you can't change mine.

[complete disregard for Pet_Sounds making a good point, and instead insists on continuing to argue because i'm a narcissistic *******]