Why Satan loves you more than Jesus. (rock, Religious, member)

Fenixpunk · 01-14-2005, 10:18 AM

hookers with machineguns · 01-14-2005, 10:20 AM

Religion is the root of all evil. The "god" people worship is actually satan, and what the hell happened to Pele?

franscar · 01-14-2005, 10:37 AM

Pele retired after a brief stint in the woefully poor NASL, the North American Soccer League. He was recently voted the joint number one footballer of all time alongside Diego Maradona, and he can currently be seen advertising male erection problem advice. Fair play to Pele.

Fenixpunk · 01-14-2005, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

Religion is the root of all evil. The "god" people worship is actually satan, and what the hell happened to Pele?

im not a fan of religion, but im gonna have to disagree. religion helps alot of ppl deal with their problems just as drugs, alcohol, puppy dogs, even music help other ppl. The "god" they worship, to me is themselves. The "voice of god" is really their own telling them what to do. when its good you can give god credit if you want, and when its bad, you can blame satan, the truth is, its all you making the decision. The real "satan" in my eyes are the corrupted evil doers that do everything to keep people down so they can seem superior in their own eyes.

hookers with machineguns · 01-14-2005, 10:48 AM

Yeah, that post was supposed to be a joke, my main interest was with Pele.
I think religion is good for children, because it puts a meaning to everything and gives them something to believe in. But, I don't agree in principle, because these religions seem like a guideline for people to not think and come up with their own ideas. I still cannot grasp the idea that one religion is claimed to be right, and the others claimed wrong. When you assert something to be correct based on faith alone, can you really discredit other people's ideologies?

riseagainstrocks · 01-15-2005, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by franscar

Nope, they love the ones that dedicate their entire lives to praising them. And if you read the New Testament, then basically to get into Heaven you have to wipe out all other religions, through conversion or through death.

Fun.

What New Testament are you reading? I'm pretty sure (and by pretty I mean very) that the only requirements are:

1. Confess that you are a sinner and are not perfect.
2. Believe that Jesus Christ is God's son and died for you so that you may have eternal life

Nowhere does it say kill kill kill and you'll go to Heaven. I understand very few people here are religious, but don't knock something you don't understand. That would be acting like Bush remember? Hypocrites.

hookers with machineguns · 01-15-2005, 10:45 AM

^Uh....what? I don't understand the Bush analogy. What did he "knock" that he did not understand?
Also I don't remember anyone connecting killing and going to heaven. We were talking about God's established characteristic flaws: can he really be all-mighty and all-good, if so, why does he not prevent mass deaths just as the recent tsunami? I don't really want to see a cheesy religious explanation saying that God wanted this to happen, because I'm sorry, that is bullsh*t.
But, seriously man, who really understands anything about life, the galaxies, our purpose, etc? Religion is speculation, not fact. What we are saying right now is speculation, not fact. So your "don't knock something you don't understand" comment should really be applied to everyone including yourself.

riseagainstrocks · 01-15-2005, 02:06 PM

My Bush analogy (looking back it wasn't wise) was about how many people are criticiszing Christians as a whole when you don't want people to do that to America as a whole cause not everyone is supposedly self-righteous.

And if you'll read the quote all the way through notice how franscar says "And if you read the New Testament, then basically to get into Heaven you have to wipe out all other religions, through conversion or through death. (emphasis added)"

I'm confused as to what I don't understand? I am comming across as too indignate and I'm sorry. I'll tone down my words.

Why did the tsunami happen? I have no clue. I'm not going to attempt to understand it. I have no will to. It happened. Thats the end.

The why would I believe in something that isn't fact? Because once its fact, you no longer have belief but rather blind obediance. You believe cause you have to, not cause you want to. I believe because of personal experiances and because I want to. I trust in something. Don't criticize my trust. I'm merely telling you about my faith. Sorry if your offened. I'll stop if you guys want me too, but I'd think you'd want a differing opinion.

by the way, no where does it say that God is all-good. He is described as omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, and just. Good and Evil is arbitrary to God's nature.

franscar · 01-15-2005, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

What New Testament are you reading? I'm pretty sure (and by pretty I mean very) that the only requirements are:

1. Confess that you are a sinner and are not perfect.
2. Believe that Jesus Christ is God's son and died for you so that you may have eternal life

Nowhere does it say kill kill kill and you'll go to Heaven. I understand very few people here are religious, but don't knock something you don't understand. That would be acting like Bush remember? Hypocrites.

The only way to bring about Heaven on Earth is by uniting all the people of the world under Christendom. That was used by numerous Popes as justification for the Crusades, where a lot of Christians went over to the Holy Land, and started knocking seven bells out of a lot of Muslims. A little bit like today.

dog · 01-16-2005, 05:44 AM

meh i don believe in god or anythn. evolution explains everythn is a more logical way.

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hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	Religion is the root of all evil. The "god" people worship is actually satan, and what the hell happened to Pele? __________________ LASTFM

01-14-2005, 10:48 AM	#35 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	Yeah, that post was supposed to be a joke, my main interest was with Pele. I think religion is good for children, because it puts a meaning to everything and gives them something to believe in. But, I don't agree in principle, because these religions seem like a guideline for people to not think and come up with their own ideas. I still cannot grasp the idea that one religion is claimed to be right, and the others claimed wrong. When you assert something to be correct based on faith alone, can you really discredit other people's ideologies? __________________ LASTFM

01-15-2005, 10:45 AM	#37 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	^Uh....what? I don't understand the Bush analogy. What did he "knock" that he did not understand? Also I don't remember anyone connecting killing and going to heaven. We were talking about God's established characteristic flaws: can he really be all-mighty and all-good, if so, why does he not prevent mass deaths just as the recent tsunami? I don't really want to see a cheesy religious explanation saying that God wanted this to happen, because I'm sorry, that is bullsht. But, seriously man, who really understands anything about life, the galaxies, our purpose, etc? Religion is speculation, not fact. What we are saying right now is speculation, not fact. So your "don't knock something you don't understand" comment should really be applied to everyone including yourself. __________________ LASTFM*

01-15-2005, 02:06 PM	#38 (permalink)
riseagainstrocks Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: DC Posts: 3,320	My Bush analogy (looking back it wasn't wise) was about how many people are criticiszing Christians as a whole when you don't want people to do that to America as a whole cause not everyone is supposedly self-righteous. And if you'll read the quote all the way through notice how franscar says "And if you read the New Testament, then basically to get into Heaven you have to wipe out all other religions, through conversion or through death. (emphasis added)" I'm confused as to what I don't understand? I am comming across as too indignate and I'm sorry. I'll tone down my words. Why did the tsunami happen? I have no clue. I'm not going to attempt to understand it. I have no will to. It happened. Thats the end. The why would I believe in something that isn't fact? Because once its fact, you no longer have belief but rather blind obediance. You believe cause you have to, not cause you want to. I believe because of personal experiances and because I want to. I trust in something. Don't criticize my trust. I'm merely telling you about my faith. Sorry if your offened. I'll stop if you guys want me too, but I'd think you'd want a differing opinion. by the way, no where does it say that God is all-good. He is described as omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent, and just. Good and Evil is arbitrary to God's nature. __________________ One note timeless, came out of nowhere...

01-14-2005, 10:37 AM	#33 (permalink)
franscar Honky Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 665	Pele retired after a brief stint in the woefully poor NASL, the North American Soccer League. He was recently voted the joint number one footballer of all time alongside Diego Maradona, and he can currently be seen advertising male erection problem advice. Fair play to Pele.

01-16-2005, 05:44 AM	#40 (permalink)
dog this bird has flown Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: paris,texas Posts: 860	meh i don believe in god or anythn. evolution explains everythn is a more logical way. __________________ formerly ledzeppelinrulz. http://theraffinkids.bandcamp.com/ music^