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Sansa Stark 01-13-2010 08:41 PM

love isaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa battlefieeeeeeeeeeeld

Neapolitan 01-13-2010 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Paloma (Post 810167)
love isaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa battlefieeeeeeeeeeeld

...but on the otherhand we are strong heartache to heartache.

ProggyMan 01-13-2010 10:25 PM

Love was invented by men like me to sell nylons.

VEGANGELICA 01-14-2010 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 333 (Post 809415)
I take this as you don't believe that you can be in love with someone for a longer period of time. I guess I've always looked at the contrast between in love and love in an elementary manner. I related being in love with someone as something romantic and just plain loving someone as platonic or family-related. So, then, if romantic partners transition from being in love to just loving, is there a possibility of falling out of love?

In my experience, 333, the feeling of being "in love" with someone fades once I really know the person and the feeling of family love grows stronger. Once I know most of the person's thoughts, feelings, and experiences very well, the rush of feeling in love (of breaking down psychological barriers that make people strangers initially) diminishes. This isn't a bad thing, because it is part of being close friends.

If people never move beyond being "in love" and aren't prepared for the ho-hum feeling of long-term relationship love, then they may get disenchanted and start expecting (and looking for) the thrill of "falling in love" again. The way to inspire a little of the "in love" feeling again in a long-term relationship is to do new activities together...set up the situation so you have a chance to learn and appreciate something new about each other again.

About your feeling of love being a mystery...I don't feel it is a mystery. Take any two people, throw them together for a while, assume they are pretty decent to each other, and unless they plan to kill each other they will probably end up feeling love. Biological benefit: cohabitating humans who get along, forage together, share food, pay electricty bills, and protect their common territory have better chances of surviving to pass on the ability to "love" others to offspring.

Exactly *whom* (among all the strangers in the world) one "falls in love" with is more mysterious, I feel! I've been in quite a few relationships, but only two started with a feeling of being "in love." Looking back, I think what triggered the "in love" feeling that eventually developed was that I thought those people were especially physically attractive...I admired them *a lot* physically as well as personality-wise. Feeling "in love" with someone isn't a prerequisite for forming a loving, long-term relationship...although the feeling of "being in love" is nice to have, when it happens!

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Originally Posted by Dr.Seussicide (Post 810154)
If it's one thing I've learned is that love, much like intelligence, simply cannot be defined. Nothing in life will ever baffle me more than the most fucked up permutation of those four letters of the English language.

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 810162)
A four letter word has 24 permutations.

Hmmm...now which of the 24 seems most bizarre:
love, loev, lvoe, lveo, levo, leov, olve, olev, ovle, ovel, oevl, oelv, vole, voel, vloe, vleo, velo, veol, eovl, eolv, evol, evlo, elvo, elov.

My vote for the most fucked-up permutation of those four letters of the English language is "evol."

Dr.Seussicide 01-14-2010 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 810293)
My vote for the most fucked-up permutation of those four letters of the English language is "evol."

Maybe the reverse of it is what you were going for? ;)

Guybrush 01-14-2010 02:06 AM

I like "vole".

http://www.wildaboutpets.net/info/vs...eadow-Vole.jpg

:)

loveissucide 01-14-2010 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 810208)
Love was invented by men like me to sell nylons.

It's the new religion.

littleknowitall 01-15-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 809409)
Yes, I've been in love before. Yes, I "got over" being "in love" with some of those people. However, there have been people I was "in love" with whom I also loved...and I did not "get over" those people. The feeling of love lingers.

I see a distinction between feeling "in love" vs. "loving" someone. Being "in love" focuses on how you yourself feel about another person: excited, admiring, etc. etc. Being "in love" is not a bad thing...it is the first rush of breaking psychological barriers that exist between you and someone you admire.

In contrast, when you love a romantic partner, I feel this means you shift the focus of your attention so that you are approximately equally interested in helping the person you love have a satisfying, meaningful life as you are in seeking happiness for yourself. I definitely believe love is a physiological/psychological reality. The feeling of "love" for a romantic partner, to me, is the same as the feeling of "family love"...like love for a parent.

People, especially those new to love, are often in love with the feeling of being in love, rather than primarily loving another person and loving themselves at the same time. My observation is that romantic partners start out "in love" and then, if they work at it, transition to just plain "love."

One of the positive experiences I've had regarding love is when, even after a break-up, years later you remain platonic friends with the person. You realize that underneath the more turbulent romantic aspects of the relationship, you actually were and are friends...and that lasts.

I feel Paloma gives a very good description of what it feels like to feel loved by a significant other:



jayfin3, you then wrote:



I feel you *can* have one-sided love...but unless it is requited in some form then it is obsession, like Paloma wrote. Sometimes one person loves another more intensely than that other loves her or him. Sometimes one person feels romantic love and the other platonic love. If you ever find yourself doing something that might hurt the one you feel you love, then you are probably acting out of obsession: stalking is an example.



littleknowitall, I'm sorry your former significant other treated you so horrendously. I feel your experience shows one reason people can be afraid of loving, because it means you can get hurt emotionally, since to love someone does involve forgiving and trying to work out a solution to problems or find a compromise. In your case, the effort was one-sided. I think the important point never to overlook is that you have to know for yourself what your boundaries are....at what point will you no longer tolerate ill effects on yourself when in a relationship. You wrote about concerns about future relationships. If it helps, I've found that different people are really extremely different. Each relationship feels unique. Your bad experience with your ex does not mean every future partner will be like that.

The test I used to give myself, when thinking about whether a relationship was working, was this one: "Am a lonelier in the relationship than I would be if I were alone, by myself, not in the relationship?" When I realized that I felt lonelier by being with a person than I would be if I were alone, then I knew it was time to rethink the relationship.

One relationship rule I developed was this one: never seek a relationship with someone because you feel lonely. Learn to have a satisfying life by yourself. Then you will be able to keep your balance (more or less) when you open your life/mind to someone else.

Wow, I'm surprised you read what I wrote. Thanks for the advice by the way, made a lot of sense. I think the first thing I realized is basically that I'm a people pleaser of the worst kind in which I was willing to put anyone and everyone before me as usual and people can exploit that unfortunately and she just got comfortable doing it. Which is awful but I'm better for it now.

Scarlett O'Hara 01-17-2010 03:01 AM

My only advice to you is, don't get too close with someone who's broken up from a longterm relationship and misses their ex. I nearly got into that situation, but very cautiously kept out of it.

Dr.Seussicide 01-17-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 811931)
My only advice to you is, don't get too close with someone who's broken up from a longterm relationship and misses their ex. I nearly got into that situation, but very cautiously kept out of it.

Ha.......... too late. It is a fucked situation btw. I approve of this post.

Farfisa 01-17-2010 02:55 PM

"Mer, mer, my boyfriend left me after two years of dating, mer, mer,mer."

NumberNineDream 01-17-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla (Post 811931)
My only advice to you is, don't get too close with someone who's broken up from a longterm relationship and misses their ex. I nearly got into that situation, but very cautiously kept out of it.

+

Don't be friends with them. They tend to act like highschool girls trying to make their ex jealous, or to just draw his attention. Pathetic phase.

VEGANGELICA 01-18-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 810293)
My vote for the most fucked-up permutation of those four letters of the English language is "evol."

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Originally Posted by Dr.Seussicide (Post 810295)
Maybe the reverse of it is what you were going for? ;)

Oh, I really did intend to say the permutation "evol" because it sounds like "evil"...and sometimes attempts at love feel like that.

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 810297)

My, that is a cute little fellow! "Vole" was my second choice.

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Originally Posted by littleknowitall (Post 811041)
Wow, I'm surprised you read what I wrote. Thanks for the advice by the way, made a lot of sense. I think the first thing I realized is basically that I'm a people pleaser of the worst kind in which I was willing to put anyone and everyone before me as usual and people can exploit that unfortunately and she just got comfortable doing it. Which is awful but I'm better for it now.

I have a very good attention span, littleknowitall, plus your story was troubling and honest--I appreciated you sharing it! I "inherited" some people-pleasing behaviors from my mom, I think, and it took me years to acknowledge that my needs and desires were at least as important as those of a person with whom I was involved.

I put up with many things when I was new to relationships that I would never put up with now. For example, I hate saliva and a boyfriend knew that, but once during kissing he spit into my mouth. I was upset because I knew he did it maliciously. Eventually we became engaged and were together for 2 years before we broke it off. I could have saved myself a lot of future sadness if I'd gone with my gut feeling that "if someone spits in your mouth, knowing you won't like it, get the hell outa there." Sadly, sometimes the way one learns lessons like this is by experiencing them.

Sansa Stark 01-19-2010 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 812786)
Eventually we became engaged and were together for 2 years before we broke it off. I could have saved myself a lot of future sadness if I'd gone with my gut feeling that "if someone spits in your mouth, knowing you won't like it, get the hell outa there." Sadly, sometimes the way one learns lessons like this is by experiencing them.

LOL this but replace "spit in my mouth" with "coming on my titties" and we have a winner..

Tbf I think I was on too many drugs to know if I actually liked this dude or not. He was WAY overbearing, and I rarely remember him calling me "Dayna", it was always "baby" this or "baby that"


Edit: I am way too high, I just noticed I said titties unironically

Gio 01-19-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 808108)
I was hoping someone would help us finish the Cher song. :(

"If I could turn back time!"

Astronomer 05-05-2010 02:00 AM

I have a question for anyone good at decoding song lyrics or soppy poems that people choose to express themselves in. This is kinda lame, but a guy who I know quite well (we are not involved nor have we ever been involved) posted these song lyrics to me online today:

.......I'd be the luckiest man in the universe, if cause and effect didn't get there first, but she (she being you kate) keeps looking for patterns, and the world just happens.....

He added in the "she being you kate" part (my name is Kate.) What does this even mean?! I want to know!

Cheese 05-05-2010 02:41 AM

Love can sometimes be magic. But magic can sometimes...just be an illusion.

Mojo 05-05-2010 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus (Post 862853)

.......I'd be the luckiest man in the universe, if cause and effect didn't get there first, but she (she being you kate) keeps looking for patterns, and the world just happens.....

He added in the "she being you kate" part (my name is Kate.) What does this even mean?! I want to know!

I can honestly say I have absolutely no idea. Those lyrics don't seem to be about anything specific. Did you ask him about it?

Astronomer 05-05-2010 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mojopinuk (Post 862902)
I can honestly say I have absolutely no idea. Those lyrics don't seem to be about anything specific. Did you ask him about it?

Yeah I texted him and said 'explain your cryptic lyric posting' but he hasn't replied. Whenever he's tried to tell me something important he always does it obscurely... Coincidentally the band who wrote those lyrics are called Something for Kate. Who knows.

Mojo 05-05-2010 06:13 AM

It's a weird one. If he reads something into those lyrics, and thinks theres a solid message in there then it's way over my head. I think it would maybe make a little more sense if you had a boyfriend, but you're single now arent you? So i cant even see it that way.

Arya Stark 05-05-2010 08:30 AM

I feel as if it means:

I think we should be together, but everything that happens is keeping us apart.

I'm obviously taking it in a more dramatic way, but that's how I read it.


"I'd be so lucky if things happened differently. Causes and effects aren't always the way you want them to be. She looks for patterns, something regular, repetitive, but the world doesn't always turn out that way."

Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but that's what I got.
I could write more, but let me know if this makes sense/seems to be going in the write direction.

VEGANGELICA 05-05-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus (Post 862853)
I have a question for anyone good at decoding song lyrics or soppy poems that people choose to express themselves in. This is kinda lame, but a guy who I know quite well (we are not involved nor have we ever been involved) posted these song lyrics to me online today:

.......I'd be the luckiest man in the universe, if cause and effect didn't get there first, but she (she being you kate) keeps looking for patterns, and the world just happens.....

He added in the "she being you kate" part (my name is Kate.) What does this even mean?! I want to know!

I agree with AwwSugar. I think he's saying he's certain he wants to be with you, but he's not sure how you feel because you look at life more cerebrally, and you both let life come between the two of you without stating feelings openly. Also, I think he's saying that he's a little chicken to say he has strong feelings for you.

I looked up the lyrics from this song, "Deja Vu," by Something for Kate, which helped me come to my conclusion about what he's saying. Here are the full lyrics:

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"Deja Vu" by Something for Kate

Light globes wash up, all along the beach.
And they light me up with, and they light me up with certainty.
Well she calculates, coincidence, and circumstance and turbulence.
Gotta see what it is, and it's everything, and it's endless.

'Cause baby can't see through, all this matter and makeup and déjà vu.
Yeah we drift here alone, with nothing to do.
Until one of us makes the other one come true.

She wants to meet her fate, but travel by free will.
But you can't have both and you can't stand still, still, still.
I'd be the luckiest man in the universe, if cause and effect doesn't get there first.
But she, keeps looking for patterns, and the world just happens.

'Cause baby can't see through, all this matter and makeup and déjà vu.
Yeah we drift here alone, with nothing to do.
Until one of us makes the other one come true.
Yeah one of us makes the other one come true.

Yeah 'cause baby can't see through,
through all this matter and makeup and déjà vu.
Yeah we drift here alone, we drift here alone.
Yeah we drift here alone, we drift here alone.
Yeah we drift here alone, with nothin' to do.
Until one of us makes the other one come true.
Yeah one of us makes the other one come true.
She said these questions don't answer like other questions do.
So just let me be here with you.
SOMETHING FOR KATE - DéJÃ* VU LYRICS

Arya Stark 05-05-2010 09:47 AM

Yeah, exactly.
Right before that line, it's basically saying that she wants to meet the one for her but she wants to kind of "go with the flow."

VEGANGELICA 05-05-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 862950)
Yeah, exactly.
Right before that line, it's basically saying that she wants to meet the one for her but she wants to kind of "go with the flow."

Yep, I think those lines you point out are the crucial ones in the song. I think they say that she wants to just sort of fall into love but at the same time make decisions about whom to love, so perhaps she is a little caught and isn't taking many steps to make that connection (with the singer):

"She wants to meet her fate, but travel by free will.
But you can't have both and you can't stand still, still, still."

Flyingpig437 05-05-2010 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jayfin3 (Post 808031)
Have you ever been in love? Did you get over it? Do you believe in love?

Only once.Most amazing thing ever. I'm over it now though 'cause I'm too old for that kinda feeling...i think anyway. Now it's not quite the same.

thomasracer56 05-05-2010 10:10 PM

there really is no questioning of it. it takes enough faith and mutual respect. my girlfriend and I are 7 months since we started dating, and no argument has been involved. trust them as they trust you, or there's no strength. remember, statistics and all the other bs cannot tell you anything, real proof is necessary, with all the "self-help books" and "guides" out there. your faith and willingness to change to further everyone's ends.

Astronomer 05-06-2010 12:22 AM

Wow, VEGANGELICA and AwwSugar, thanks! :) I was thinking along the same lines, and took the first part of it as rather suggestive. But I'm too afraid to approach him about it because it would be really embarrassing if I got it wrong and he was just randomly posting lyrics to me...

Arya Stark 05-06-2010 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lateralus (Post 863310)
Wow, VEGANGELICA and AwwSugar, thanks! :) I was thinking along the same lines, and took the first part of it as rather suggestive. But I'm too afraid to approach him about it because it would be really embarrassing if I got it wrong and he was just randomly posting lyrics to me...

He wasn't just randomly posting them, because he told you "that's you."
But I can see why that would still be a bit embarrassing, I'm the same way.
Say something like, "So I listened to the song."
And see what he says back.

Sansa Stark 03-30-2013 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 808085)
hahaha

I'll give you a serious answer

Yes, I believe in love. Actual love though, I have only recently learned the difference, as in what love really is, rather than the lust, infatuation, or obsession we often mistake as being love. While I do think attraction is obviously important, love is something you have to work at, and sometimes it's hard and nervewracking and you have to make compromises you don't like but when you have it, and give it, to someone who gives it back to you and you are equals in that, then it is the best thing in the world. I've also had a lot of men who've claimed to love me, and it's the same story, obsession, infatuation, lust. To have someone love you for you, rather than making you into an idea, when they are seeing you as a real person,it's awesome.

ha


i had dreams once

Janszoon 03-30-2013 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1302155)
i had dreams once

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Washington.jpg

Burning Down 03-30-2013 07:21 AM

I've only just begun to fully understand love. I feel like I'm late to the game sometimes.

Sansa Stark 03-30-2013 07:27 AM

I just think it's funny that I wrote that huge ass paragraph when I didn't even love that ****.
I went back into our relationship being in love with someone else

lmao whoops

Burning Down 03-30-2013 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 1302170)
I just think it's funny that I wrote that huge ass paragraph when I didn't even love that ****.
I went back into our relationship being in love with someone else

lmao whoops

Maybe you were writing about the other person?

Sansa Stark 03-30-2013 08:29 AM

nope, that's 100% me trying to convince myself I made the right choice

TheBig3 03-30-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Hermione (Post 808137)
It's great.

"You know what guys, I don't like this thread, it is now about Duran Duran. DOWN IN THE CITYYYYYYYYYYY NIGHT IS A WIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

Isn't "dark in the city?"

Also, wtf is "night is a wire?"

Sansa Stark 03-30-2013 08:44 AM

why is the word do in there 15 times? We get it. you did something.

TheBig3 03-30-2013 09:00 AM

Sent you a track on Spotify.


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