So, Laurent, you acknowledge that when you wrote, "Meat is essential," that statement was factually incorrect. Instead, your view is that meat is "the best form of protein."

I counter your claim that meat is "the best form of protein" with THIS:

Your turn. Let's see watcha got. :)

EDIT: Laurent, I can't change your feelings about animals. I feel it is a good thing to be kind to animals. You, apparently, disagree. I wish you felt differently, but I can't change that.

However, what I can do is debate whether statements you or I make are correct or not. Some of what you wrote makes me think you may not have had much opportunity to read about nutrition issues related to vegetarianism. Vegetarian nutrition is an area I'm fairly knowledgable about, so I'm glad to hear your nutrition concerns, in case those are one reason you disparage plant-based diets.

So you obviously haven't been reading the thread.
Both Paloma and I are vegetarian and can't STAND pressing our views upon other people.
If I'm eating a veggie burger, I don't say anything to anyone about it.
But for some reason you think it's okay to disgust me and treat an animal like shit?
That hasn't happened to me since 9th grade.

So you say you're not pushing your views on people, although that's arguably exactly what you are doing when making an effort to confront people with them .. instead you say you just make an effort to act like a jerk. Trying to upset them like a real life forum troll? :rolleyes:

I'd preferably deal with the annoying morally "superior" vegan nag over the likes of you any day.

We are animals like any other species, and we've earned our spot as the dominating one. Perhaps as a conscious, thinking being we must be aware that with power comes responsibility, and we should protect animals and avoid their killings when alternative foods exist, however besides for domesticated animals I think they lost the rat race to dominant species and should suffer the consequences of being our food. Yay!

I'm sorry to waste your time but I won't read the rest of your post. Not that I am afraid to be "wrong", it's just well, frankly, I couldn't care less about your facts and opinions. Meat is the best and most delicious form of protein for me. And that's that.

I haven't and don't care to.

I've already answered this before but I will again. I am not trying to press my views and, or beliefs when I purposely eat meat or talk ill about animals in front of vegetarians or vegans. It's more or less, "hey feck you, I don't care about your beliefs, feck this cow too" type of response. That's my personal response and I don't encourage others to reply in such an ignorant fashion.

And quite honestly, with your last statement, you have just made my day. That's exactly why I do it.

I'm sorry to have offended some but it's just the internet and dumb animals.

*Bold denotes where I read to.

None of this makes sense to me, you purposely do it, which is shoving your beliefs in someone else's face, knowing that they have opposing views, yet you say you're not "trying to press them on them" when that's EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING? Why even bother doing it in the first place if not to illicit a response? Just to make a jackass of yourself?

You didn't waste my time at all, Laurent Quinn Proper. The time I spend on MusicBanter is my free time. I always learn something during the process of writing replies here on MB, whether or not people read or respond...though of course it is nicer when people do. I like learning about other people and their views.

I'm not offended that you don't care about facts and others' opinions. You can't make yourself care about something you don't care about. I don't care about everything myself. For example, who the U.S. talk show hosts are isn't important to me.

I am glad, though, to have finally gotten down to the bottom of your reasoning behind defending meat-eating. At first you wrote that "meat is essential." I showed that to be incorrect. Then you changed your statement to "Meat is the best form of protein" (an argument I also blew out of the water). Finally, you stated that you feel "meat is the best and most delicious form of protein for me." I can't argue with that, because it is your opinion and feeling.

If you expect anyone to accept your opinion, then you must be prepared to accept theirs. Otherwise, you're just... how did you say? "Forcing your opinion on others".

I don't understand what you gain out of asserting your opinion without even the slightest regard for how it is received. Sounds to me exactly like what you condemn. Either that, you're you're just wasting energy.

If you understand that type of response is ignorant, why do it? You like to come off as an ignorant ****? This is fascinating to me.

Let me ask...why did you even post in here? This is one of the most kept alive threads, and this tells me the people arguing in it are very passionate about their views. From your responses, I can think of no other reason for you posting in here other than you just wanted to piss some people off.

Honestly, guys, everyone that's replying to his messages is smart enough to realize the differences between right and wrong.
He clearly stated that he has not read the opinions of everyone who stated them, nor does he care to.
For this reason, I no longer find important in replying to someone who feels the need to state their opinion while being so rude to those of other people who feel strongly about the same subject.

In other words? I'm done, and I think this person's a waste of everyone's time. You're too smart to be arguing with someone that closed-minded.