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VEGANGELICA 05-10-2010 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurent Quinn Proper (Post 865160)
The best form of protein.

I honestly don't dislike animals but when a vegetarian or vegan is around, I'll treat animals like **** just to spite them and their pressing ways.

So, Laurent, you acknowledge that when you wrote, "Meat is essential," that statement was factually incorrect. Instead, your view is that meat is "the best form of protein."

I counter your claim that meat is "the best form of protein" with THIS:

Quote:

From: The Harvard School of Public Health
Protein: Moving Closer to Center Stage - What Should You Eat? - The Nutrition Source - Harvard School of Public Health

Animal protein and vegetable protein probably have the same effects on health. It's the protein package that's likely to make a difference.

A 6-ounce broiled porterhouse steak is a great source of complete protein—38 grams worth. But it also delivers 44 grams of fat, 16 of them saturated. (2) That's almost three-fourths of the recommended daily intake for saturated fat. The same amount of salmon gives you 34 grams of protein and 18 grams of fat, 4 of them saturated. (2) A cup of cooked lentils has 18 grams of protein, but under 1 gram of fat. (2)

The bottom line is that it's important to pay attention to what comes along with the protein in your food choices. Vegetable sources of protein, such as beans, nuts, and whole grains, are excellent choices, and they offer healthy fiber, vitamins, and minerals; nuts are also a great source of healthy fat.

If you are partial to red meat, such as beef, pork, or lamb, stick with the leanest cuts, choose moderate portion sizes, and make it only an occasional part of your diet: A major report on cancer prevention recommends consuming less than 18 ounces a week of red meat and avoiding processed meats (such as hot dogs, bacon, or ham) to lower the risk of colon cancer
Your turn. Let's see watcha got. :)

EDIT: Laurent, I can't change your feelings about animals. I feel it is a good thing to be kind to animals. You, apparently, disagree. I wish you felt differently, but I can't change that.

However, what I can do is debate whether statements you or I make are correct or not. Some of what you wrote makes me think you may not have had much opportunity to read about nutrition issues related to vegetarianism. Vegetarian nutrition is an area I'm fairly knowledgable about, so I'm glad to hear your nutrition concerns, in case those are one reason you disparage plant-based diets.

Arya Stark 05-10-2010 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Laurent Quinn Proper (Post 865160)
The best form of protein.

I honestly don't dislike animals but when a vegetarian or vegan is around, I'll treat animals like **** just to spite them and their pressing ways.

So you obviously haven't been reading the thread.
Both Paloma and I are vegetarian and can't STAND pressing our views upon other people.
If I'm eating a veggie burger, I don't say anything to anyone about it.
But for some reason you think it's okay to disgust me and treat an animal like shit?
That hasn't happened to me since 9th grade.

Guybrush 05-10-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Laurent Quinn Proper (Post 865169)
I don't try to press my opinions on anybody... I merely stated that when a vegan is around, I will over-do any of my regular routines to annoy them while they press you with their bombardment of question directed to guilt you into feeling pity for an animal.

So you say you're not pushing your views on people, although that's arguably exactly what you are doing when making an effort to confront people with them .. instead you say you just make an effort to act like a jerk. Trying to upset them like a real life forum troll? :rolleyes:

I'd preferably deal with the annoying morally "superior" vegan nag over the likes of you any day.

TheManInAShed 05-10-2010 05:12 PM

We are animals like any other species, and we've earned our spot as the dominating one. Perhaps as a conscious, thinking being we must be aware that with power comes responsibility, and we should protect animals and avoid their killings when alternative foods exist, however besides for domesticated animals I think they lost the rat race to dominant species and should suffer the consequences of being our food. Yay!

Laurent Quinn Proper 05-10-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA (Post 865192)
So, Laurent, you acknowledge that when you wrote, "Meat is essential," that statement was factually incorrect. Instead, your view is that meat is "the best form of protein."

I counter your claim that meat is "the best form of protein" with THIS:



Your turn. Let's see watcha got. :)

EDIT: Laurent, I can't change your feelings about animals. I feel it is a good thing to be kind to animals. You, apparently, disagree. I wish you felt differently, but I can't change that.

However, what I can do is debate whether statements you or I make are correct or not. Some of what you wrote makes me think you may not have had much opportunity to read about nutrition issues related to vegetarianism. Vegetarian nutrition is an area I'm fairly knowledgable about, so I'm glad to hear your nutrition concerns, in case those are one reason you disparage plant-based diets.

I'm sorry to waste your time but I won't read the rest of your post. Not that I am afraid to be "wrong", it's just well, frankly, I couldn't care less about your facts and opinions. Meat is the best and most delicious form of protein for me. And that's that.

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Originally Posted by AwwSugar (Post 865194)
So you obviously haven't been reading the thread.
Both Paloma and I are vegetarian and can't STAND pressing our views upon other people.
If I'm eating a veggie burger, I don't say anything to anyone about it.
But for some reason you think it's okay to disgust me and treat an animal like shit?
That hasn't happened to me since 9th grade.

I haven't and don't care to.

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Originally Posted by tore (Post 865229)
So you say you're not pushing your views on people, although that's arguably exactly what you are doing when making an effort to confront people with them .. instead you say you just make an effort to act like a jerk. Trying to upset them like a real life forum troll? :rolleyes:

I'd preferably deal with the annoying morally "superior" vegan nag over the likes of you any day.

I've already answered this before but I will again. I am not trying to press my views and, or beliefs when I purposely eat meat or talk ill about animals in front of vegetarians or vegans. It's more or less, "hey feck you, I don't care about your beliefs, feck this cow too" type of response. That's my personal response and I don't encourage others to reply in such an ignorant fashion.

And quite honestly, with your last statement, you have just made my day. That's exactly why I do it.

I'm sorry to have offended some but it's just the internet and dumb animals.

*Bold denotes where I read to.

Sansa Stark 05-10-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Laurent Quinn Proper (Post 865476)


I've already answered this before but I will again. I am not trying to press my views and, or beliefs when I purposely eat meat or talk ill about animals in front of vegetarians or vegans. It's more or less, "hey feck you, I don't care about your beliefs, feck this cow too" type of response. That's my personal response and I don't encourage others to reply in such an ignorant fashion.


None of this makes sense to me, you purposely do it, which is shoving your beliefs in someone else's face, knowing that they have opposing views, yet you say you're not "trying to press them on them" when that's EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING? Why even bother doing it in the first place if not to illicit a response? Just to make a jackass of yourself?

VEGANGELICA 05-10-2010 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Laurent Quinn Proper (Post 865476)
I'm sorry to waste your time but I won't read the rest of your post. Not that I am afraid to be "wrong", it's just well, frankly, I couldn't care less about your facts and opinions. Meat is the best and most delicious form of protein for me. And that's that.

You didn't waste my time at all, Laurent Quinn Proper. The time I spend on MusicBanter is my free time. I always learn something during the process of writing replies here on MB, whether or not people read or respond...though of course it is nicer when people do. I like learning about other people and their views.

I'm not offended that you don't care about facts and others' opinions. You can't make yourself care about something you don't care about. I don't care about everything myself. For example, who the U.S. talk show hosts are isn't important to me.

I am glad, though, to have finally gotten down to the bottom of your reasoning behind defending meat-eating. At first you wrote that "meat is essential." I showed that to be incorrect. Then you changed your statement to "Meat is the best form of protein" (an argument I also blew out of the water). Finally, you stated that you feel "meat is the best and most delicious form of protein for me." I can't argue with that, because it is your opinion and feeling.

Freebase Dali 05-10-2010 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laurent Quinn Proper (Post 865476)
I'm sorry to waste your time but I won't read the rest of your post. Not that I am afraid to be "wrong", it's just well, frankly, I couldn't care less about your facts and opinions. Meat is the best and most delicious form of protein for me. And that's that.

If you expect anyone to accept your opinion, then you must be prepared to accept theirs. Otherwise, you're just... how did you say? "Forcing your opinion on others".

I don't understand what you gain out of asserting your opinion without even the slightest regard for how it is received. Sounds to me exactly like what you condemn. Either that, you're you're just wasting energy.

duga 05-10-2010 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Laurent Quinn Proper (Post 865476)
I'm sorry to waste your time but I won't read the rest of your post. Not that I am afraid to be "wrong", it's just well, frankly, I couldn't care less about your facts and opinions. Meat is the best and most delicious form of protein for me. And that's that.

I've already answered this before but I will again. I am not trying to press my views and, or beliefs when I purposely eat meat or talk ill about animals in front of vegetarians or vegans. It's more or less, "hey feck you, I don't care about your beliefs, feck this cow too" type of response. That's my personal response and I don't encourage others to reply in such an ignorant fashion.

And quite honestly, with your last statement, you have just made my day. That's exactly why I do it.

I'm sorry to have offended some but it's just the internet and dumb animals.

If you understand that type of response is ignorant, why do it? You like to come off as an ignorant ****? This is fascinating to me.

Let me ask...why did you even post in here? This is one of the most kept alive threads, and this tells me the people arguing in it are very passionate about their views. From your responses, I can think of no other reason for you posting in here other than you just wanted to piss some people off.

Arya Stark 05-10-2010 11:46 PM

Honestly, guys, everyone that's replying to his messages is smart enough to realize the differences between right and wrong.
He clearly stated that he has not read the opinions of everyone who stated them, nor does he care to.
For this reason, I no longer find important in replying to someone who feels the need to state their opinion while being so rude to those of other people who feel strongly about the same subject.

In other words? I'm done, and I think this person's a waste of everyone's time. You're too smart to be arguing with someone that closed-minded.


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