Paedantic Basterd

The ignorance running rampant in this thread is sheer hysteria.

PurpleWolf

Enlighten us then.

Paedantic Basterd

I believe that all of the worthwhile points have been made. Whether or not they are observed has nothing to do with me.

Dirty

After reading and participating in this thread, i've ended up not feeling bad for animals, meat eatesr, or veggieheads... just MuzicForums lol.

If not eating meat works for some people, then great. The idea of not wanting to kill animals for food is stupid in my opinion though, animals kill other animals for food constantly. Some would say it doesn't mean we should, but like I've said before, we are on top of the food chain and I think it's best to use that to our advantage. Supplements and whatever are good but I think the best sources of proteins come in the form of lean meats. Hell, I went on a diet of all meat for awhile and my body looked and felt amazing and I'm gonna do it again this summer. It's called the Ketosis diet, and it's pretty awesome.

The Batlord

Because they're animals. They don't have a concept of cruelty. They don't care about other species. Not to mention that they don't have a choice.

Dude, there's no nice way to say this, so I'll just say it. That is an intellectually lazy and stupid thing to believe. Because we can we should? Should white people have kept their black slaves because they were "on top of the food chain"?

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Dirty

I took one vitamin a day. I forget what it was, it was like 2 years ago or so I did keto. It was something my mom had, she's a semi-vitamin nut. I should have taken way more vitamins though and monitored it way more. So this time around (if I decide to do it again) I'll definitely be more knowledgeable and researched on what vitamins and stuff to take and in what amounts. I ate fruit sparingly as long as it kept my body in the state of ketosis.



Large. Intense. Few.

From what I remember. I don't know, I didn't keep a diary on them. I'll take pics and post them next time for reference.


Ok, let's not go off into crazy comparison land here. Abolishing slavery was a good thing. People of all races are still people. I don't feel nearly as sensitive to animals as I do people. My basic feeling is that animals taste good, are good for the economy, and provide little else to humans other than when they are killed. Just like lions attack deer, and larger fish eat smaller fish, I don't mind that we eat animals. And because I know this same argument is gonna come back around, let me say that I PERSONALLY am only really concerned with HUMANS. I don't care what is best for the world. I care what is best for people.

The Batlord

You only consider the comparison crazy because you don't want to think of animals as having equal worth to a human.

Yes, because we stopped the suffering of a living, feeling creature and gave them a possibility to experience happiness.

And empty milk cartons of all sizes are still empty milk cartons. What's your point? Are you just appealing to my innate sense of human superiority over non-humans?

As slave owners didn't feel nearly as sensitive to black people as they did white people. The fact that you are not as sensitive holds no actual weight. If you really wanted to, you could try to develop more sensitivity to the suffering of animals, you just choose not to.

I think the key word here is "basic". Has it ever occured to you that perhaps animals might have more worth than just their usefulness to humans?

Because, of course, humans are superior to the rest of the world and are not actually part of it.


I'm not asking you to become a vegetarian. I'm just asking you to perhaps challenge your own notions of what is moral conduct in relation to other species.

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highoctane93

idk but this post may be one of the best i have read in a long time. somehow i missed it and im glad that i took time to go back through this forum and read replys! =) i really appreciate how you ended this Batlord!!!

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Paedantic Basterd

Really? What do you do for carbs and starches, vitamins and nutrients? And fiber?

Dirty

I only ate 20-25 grams of carbs a day, and they came in the form of the small amount of carbs in protein foods like nuts and stuff. Every 2 weeks I carb-loaded for a 24ish hour period and ate my pizza and pasta and all that. But other than that 24 hour carb period, I cut my calories a few hundred below my maintenance calories to ensure I would lose weight. Then of that calorie number I ate like 65% protein, 30% fats, 5% proteins. The food wasn't too tough to adjust to. Just couldn't have the buns and breads which sucked. So I would usually make myself some cheesesteak and 4 fried eggs with melted cheese. Ate lots of beef burgers, usually topped everything with cheese and mustard. Worst part was the beverages. Basically all you can drink is water and water with Crystal Light which was hard to get used to, but I love water so I got used to it without a ton of trouble. Snacked on nuts mainly.