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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA
I feel it is a good thing to fight the view that women's bodies are ugly as they are naturally, just like it is a good thing to fight the notion that boys' foreskins are ugly. People should not be made to feel bad about their bodies as they are naturally.
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I think you just like the idea of being as natural as possible and that's fine but don't give so much flack to people who'd rather not feel like cavemen.
Personally I think it is ugly, but I think hairy men are pretty damn ugly too and so do a lot of women FYI, how a guy maintains himself is just as instrumental in getting laid as it is for women, guy's are a little more choosy on the appearance side of things I won't lie but that doesn't mean guys don't also do a lot of things to enhance their appearance to please women.
But does any guy ever rant about this and how men are enslaving themselves to what women want and all that? F*ck no. It's a personal choice, just as it is with women. The big reward is you're more likely to get laid and the big penalty is you'll get made fun of and called a weirdo. But there's a lot of things that get you called a weirdo that doesn't mean everybody has to conform to these acts so it isn't so weird anymore.
Cutting our hair is also unnatural but men do it a lot more than women do, mainly because you'll be called a hippie or something, should men stop cutting their hair? What about men who shave their beards off? That's unnatural too.
The thing is a lot of guys LIKE doing it, sometimes it's purely for comfort reasons. I don't shave anymore because I'm lazy but I admit that when I did do it I felt a lot more comfortable afterwards.
So why is it so hard to accept that yes some women like to feel better about themselves in the same way men do?
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Yes, it is unfair that men can be hairy but women are encouraged/forced/chastised to not be hairy. The problem with this norm of body shaving is that it encourages women and men to have bad and judgemental views of women's bodies as they are. Men aren't ridiculed out in public if they have beards...although perhaps they are if their beards are very long?
Brushing teeth helps protect people from cavities and gum disease. Shaving body hair has no physical benefits, wastes time, and usually results in cuts every once in a while.
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For one this isn't the 60s anymore, most guys have short hair and I get picked on for my appearance, long hair and beard. I accept that as just a result of my personal choice which is to be a little different from everybody else. But I like being different, as in I'm not gonna force other people to be just like me as you're trying to do. You're different, why not just take pride in that instead of wishing everyone was the same?
Also, doing stuff to be more attractive to the opposite sex is NOT unnecessary. At least if that's what you want. You act like women will get hanged if they don't do this and that's just dumb, they face ridicule but so would I if I stopped wearing clothes and hey that's natural right?
We don't want to be like monkeys and that's a personal choice you feel we don't have for some reason.
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My whole point, boo boo, is that for many women NOT shaving ISN'T a choice they even consider, because they are too afraid not to shave. That is why it is sad. The reason it is sexist is that men's leg and arm hair is considered okay, but women's is not. I am all for choice...that's why I want to make sure my fellow women HAVE a real choice and are not denegrated for their bodies and shamed into feeling that how their bodies are naturally is bad.
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If I recall correctly, some women here clearly say that they feel it's their choice and they like doing it and you're telling them that they're enslaving themselves and I find that insulting and I'm sure they do too.
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As for your contention that my not shaving is a "cry for attention," the only cry for attention I feel my hairs make is the cry to women telling them, "Your bodies are okay as your bodies naturally are!"
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Nudists use that logic too but you have to accept that some acts of conformity just aren't gonna go away and as they will always exist, choosing them actually have their benefits. You make a few accidental cuts sound like a terrible sacrifice it's not like we're forcing women to pull their uteruse's out.
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I understand completely the nice idea of pampering yourself, which I agree is fun. But why is shaving off your leg hair taking pride in your appearance? Why isn't *having* your leg hair taking pride in your appearance? That's what I'm getting at.
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Because most people don't find it aesthetically appealing, INCLUDING women. You do and that's fine but you're ranting because people don't share your beauty ideals. I have my own beauty ideals that don't conform to the media's but I'm not gonna be morally imperialistic about it.
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I don't feel too concerned about people's negative reactions to me and my body hair, either, though when I was younger I did (and had good reason to be). Now I think it is interesting to observe people's reactions (mostly surprise and lots of curious looks), and a quick way to find out whom you like or don't. Most people are very polite, such as recently when I was at the U.S. largest Indoor Aquatic Center. I get amused by the times when people cluster around to stare at me. That's too bad your villagers aren't used to individuality!
Whining about being persecuted is so much more fun. 
Also, one of the things I like most about not shaving (and not wearing f*cking trousers) is that it requires no effort on my part. It's activism that requires no activity! When you're a "fluffy" woman and wear shorts, other women can see you and your hair and think, "Hey look! I don't have to shave and I can survive/get married/have a kid!" So, it's fun to empower people like that. The more people who get used to seeing hairy women, the easier it is for women to feel free to consider not shaving, so they don't feel forced to do it or cover up.
Of course, some women may think upon seeing me, "Eegads! Where is my rasor?!" [b]But those are only the women who dislike how they naturally look.[b] Please tell your sister I hope she will wear shorts if she wants to.
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And that is their choice just as it is a choice for a lot of men to shave their beards and cut their hair. And it's also a choice for women to shave their heads which has the duality of being an act of nonconformity AND being physically unnatural so I don't know what your stance on that is.
Nor do I care, I'd imagine shaving your head would be as uncomfortable as leg shaving if not more but a lot of people do it, one reason is and here's a shocker, because people feel more comfortable without hair, so being "natural" isn't for everybody. A lot of guys like to shave body hair for comfort reasons so it's foolish to think that NO woman could possibly ever feel this way about leg shaving. Even as women on this thread admit that they do you seem to be denying it.
You're trying to guilt trip women into making a personal choice which you feel leads to persecution as in you're encouraging them to be persecuted, if I didn't know any better I'd say you just don't want to be alone. But that's a price that comes with doing something different, deal with it.
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