Nine Black Poppies

Shaving isn't a tragedy, it's not even particularly a bother, but that's not my point. My entire point is that it ISN'T that simple--it's part of a larger dynamic in play that a lot of people don't think about or aren't aware of, men in particular.

I'm asking the question, "Okay well *WHY* do most men like shaved women?" There are reasons why we think the way we think and larger forces that play out in how we react to certain things. Shaving is sort of a silly example because it IS so trivial, but these same ideas come out in less trivial ways too, that's why they're important to think about.

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Dirty

I don't know WHY all men like shaved women. Here is why I like them though... A shaved woman's body is more beautiful to me... just seems more delicate.


Actually I'm just gonna sum it up and say that the body of a shaved womans just turns me on. When I'm eating pussy, the last thing I want is to have to journey through a goddamn jungle to do it. When I'm laying in bed, I don't want to roll over into a facefull of armpit hair tickling my face.

Should I be ashamed of these feelings or feel bad because of them?? I don't think so.

Nine Black Poppies

I never said you should be ashamed or feel bad. All I'm asking you to do is 1) consider your own thought process on a deeper level--for example, why might delicacy be associated with beauty--2) at least consider being open to new ideas for the sake of bettering one's self and society as a whole, and 3) acknowledge that there are points of view you don't understand--that even though it's sort of silly in this case, this might be part of an important subject to some people and that that's valid.

And as an aside, speaking as someone who's eaten hairy pussy, I didn't find it especially different from eating shaved pussy. If you're really into what you're doing, you don't really notice it. And as someone who's been eaten, believe me, you want to be that into what you're doing.

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Dirty

I am always open to new ideas and obviously realize my point of view is exactly that... MY point of view. To be honest I don't really care all that much why delicate and beauty are associated together. Let's say I come to a conclusion and figure out why they're associated..Now what? Does it really change my opinion on beauty? No. I prefer a smooth body next to me or under me and that isn't going to change.

right-track

My definition of a feminist is a woman who adds a woman's touch to what is perceived to be a man's world.
Sadly, too many modern women seem hell bent on being ladettes these days.
Emily Pankhurst must be spinning in her grave.
Personally, I blame Thatcher for that particular phenomenon. Here was a woman who had the perfect opportunity to add the woman's touch to the world of cut throat politics.
Unfortunately she opted to behave more like a man, than a man.

I also blame the invention of the washing machine.

someonecompletelyrandom

What people are forgetting is that inasmuch shaven underarm hair is associated with women, long underarm hair is associated with men. Is the goal of feminism to be as manly as possible? If you don't like shaving your pits then don't shave them. But I can assure you there's no board of directors keeping this measure in place. It's just Western Cultural standards for women to be shaven and men unshaven. If I shaved all my body hair I wouldn't be empowering men would I?

Paedantic Basterd

It shouldn't be associated with anything, is the fundamental point.

I am ashamed of a number of my features, none of which is abnormal or unreasonable, but all of which are the result of a society saying "We don't like this". Every girl is subjected to that somehow. It's not healthy.

someonecompletelyrandom

But that's the thing, men also have unreasonable expectations belayed upon them by society. You think I like the fact that I'm soft and, being candid here, weak? Men are "supposed" to be rugged, buff, tough guys who feel no pain.

That expectation is not going to change.

Women are expected to be gentle, beautiful, and small.

That's not going to change.

I know that your point is body hair is part of a larger scheme of things. But to the contrary, I think body hair is a seperate issue. It's a bit like a person becoming obese to protest the fact that people who are obese are viewed as "ugly".

It's just cultural standards of beauty. Some things about yourself you genuinly can't change. Discrimination based on those aspects are the greater injustice to me.

Body hair? It's just in the eye of the beholder. And the majority rule means shaven pits = the norm.

Paedantic Basterd

I feel like men's expectations are imposed on them by other men* though, because I don't personally know any women who wouldn't appreciate a man who wasn't "macho". I myself find the quintessential "manly man" to be rather off-putting.

I agree with you that the greater shame is in ridicule for that which you cannot change though.

* I know that sounds horrible, but I haven't known any women to be overtly judgmental about such a thing, and when I think about the imposition of that standard, what comes to mind is fathers shaping their sons. I can't tell you how many dads I've known to push their songs into football because they want their child to be a "real man". The mothers I've known have been more supportive of their sons' endeavors into artwork or drama, etc.

right-track

Only for those who are not the masters of their own mind. This applies to both sexes.
Your observation above is rubbish btw.