Originally Posted by Fenixpunk

The study of religions past and present has always been a "hobby" of mine. I think i know what im talking about on this, thats where the walking teutonic cliché "itchy trigger finger" comes from. I was up for a good debate, and was hoping someone would be up for it. The pope wasnt a good guy, his beliefs were outdated (anti abortion, anti womens' rights, homophobic, and anti contraception) and shouldnt be praised by people now days. I choose not to bow to their knees in front of the funeral of the head of the most ferocious, bloody, and freedom-destroying organization that history can remember. You can if you want...Now im gonna go eat lunch, and look forward to your reply.

Originally Posted by hookers with machineguns

I think I appreciate life so much that when I hear about death, I get chills down my spine. I dont care if you're good or bad, religious or not, think about all the moments that have lead up to your life as of now, and have that all taken away. Scary bone-chilling sh*t if you ask me. the pope did good things, there are people who loved him, and a loss of this magnitude should be mourned, regardless of religion.

Originally Posted by LedZepStu

i agree with a lot of stuff you have said.
HOWEVER, "freedom destroying"? "ferocious"? we are talking about john paul II here- the guy who risked his life in the polish resistance to save jews and provide them with freedom. the guy who has travelled the globe trying to unite religions so as to create a more peaceful existance. the guy who was of paramount importance in the abolishment of communism in eastern europe. if thats destroying freedom then mother theresa was a satanist. sure, his beliefs are slightly old fashioned but we all have separate ideas of an ideal world. you sound like your talking about bloody hitler.

Originally Posted by Tommyrocker

Plus i think anti-abortion is supported by a lot of people regardless of their religion, its technically murder in some peoples books.

Originally Posted by Fenixpunk

I totally agree, people should have the right to not ever have an abortion, but I also think that they should also have the RIGHT to have one if they want. Its not my choice, not your choice, but the persons choice, to take away that persons choice is not acceptable in my mind.

Originally Posted by LedZepStu

it would eliminate the concept of free-will which isnt acceptable at all.

Originally Posted by Tommyrocker

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