every religion has it downfalls is what i ws getting at , they all have tried to kill off each other, the 2 main reasons of war are religion and money.
every religion has done something similar.

they need to embrace the modern culture. thats what im saying. nowadays homosexuality is not a taboo. its socially acceptable (well, more so than ever). abortion is seen as a matter of free-will. in some ways it is seen as unethical but the flip side is it could also be seen as ethical to young girls and/or women. divorce is commonplace today. it has positives aswell as negatives.

True,
But as i said abortion can create a whole nother thread on that topic, because there are plenty of people who could and/or would want the child, so it is best to just give the child up for adoption., besides why risk your live to kill another when both can be spare by adoption?

just as many women and children die from complication during childbirth, and how is it our decision to say whether or not the 12 year old girl who has been raped by her father or some crackhead should go through with a pregnancy (just as an example) only to have her body changed not only physically but hormonally for 9 months and then give this child that she has been nurturing inside her body up to someone else? there are many good reasons why a female should have an abortion. I agree that you shouldnt be makin them if you dont want them, but that is not always the case. End of discussion for me, i have to take MY daughter to the dentist.

adoption can be unethical towards the child anyway. they would find out sooner or later and the idea that they were rejected by their real mother can be soul destroying.

I'm not Catholic, but I'm still pretty upset that the Pope died. He was one of the few decent people left in this world.

Obviously not what i meant at all but thanks for making me explain again needlessly. By the way you've nitpicked my post you yourself are suggesting that noone except for Bill clinton and george Bush etc should be allowed to vote because they are the only people to have experienced it?

No, i merely think it is strange that a situation like abortion could ever be considered illeagal or not, surely it is the persons choice as they are the only person that knows how they feel under that particular situation.

When I was a child I used to have an imaginary friend, he would listen to what I had to say, he would grant me wishes if I asked him and he would be with me wherever I went.

Then I grew up and stopped going to church.

- Jimmy Carr

[QUOTE=Ma Cherie]well i'm not going to make excuses, bt the Church when through the same when we started and there were many Christians boiled, burnt, beheaded massacared, scourged, cruxsified, beat tortured, hung ,and sent to be killed by animals.
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bah the church sure made up for that throughout history. the burnings, murders and everything else you mentioned was also done by the catholics. in my opinion the only religion that could bitch about anything is the jews. all other atrocities pale in comparison to the history of these people.

Most adopted children know that they were adopted as soon as they can understand it. It's not traumatizing to the child at all, it would be worse to keep them in a home where the mother isn't able to care for them.