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The Batlord 11-26-2016 08:56 PM

Nah, Goof's officially the conservative version of a mindless college liberal.

Goofle 11-26-2016 08:59 PM

Okay. It's really a simple concept. No government intervention, let the people decide where they want to work. Not a massive deal.

djchameleon 11-26-2016 09:00 PM

Well child labor laws might get abolished and those little parasites will get to earn their keep for greedy ass corporations.

Goofle 11-26-2016 09:01 PM

Child labor, a truly free market practice.

The Batlord 11-26-2016 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1773355)
Okay. It's really a simple concept. No government intervention, let the people decide where they want to work. Not a massive deal.

When massive corporations who have no anti-trust laws to stop them throttle the market so that there are only a few businesses to work for then the people won't really have any decision who to work for. Like, do you even know how capitalism works or did you just watch a few ****ty Youtube videos?

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1773359)
Child labor, a truly free market practice.

You really are a moron.

Frownland 11-26-2016 09:05 PM

Goofle's school really should have taught him about what capitalism is.

Chula Vista 11-26-2016 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1773355)
Okay. It's really a simple concept. No government intervention, let the people decide where they want to work. Not a massive deal.

Yes, because my 56 year old wife who busted her ass for decades, and had reached the point of a great paying job with full benefits, had her career completely destroyed as a direct result of corporate greed.

So now she "chooses" to work part time for minimum wage and zero benefits because that's all she can find in today's economy.

Goofle 11-26-2016 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1773360)
When massive corporations who have no anti-trust laws

I hereby abolish human rights and any kind of civilian protections because free market.

Jesus Christ, the Strawman is mandingo in you.

Frownland 11-26-2016 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1773369)
I hereby abolish human rights and any kind of civilian protections because free market.

Protecting them literally infringes on how free the market is. So yes, zero government regulation means that there are zero civilian protections in the workplace.

The Batlord 11-26-2016 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1773369)
I hereby abolish human rights and any kind of civilian protections because free market.

Jesus Christ, the Strawman is mandingo in you.

Anti-trust laws infringe on the free market. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either laissez-faire or a mixed economy.

Goofle 11-26-2016 09:24 PM

I we aren't allowed to have human rights and a free market, I suppose I'll have to side with the free market. Even though obviously the two naturally coexist.

Frownland 11-26-2016 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1773380)
I we aren't allowed to have human rights and a free market, I suppose I'll have to side with the free market. Even though obviously the two naturally coexist.

Dude if you genuinely believe that then you are never allowed to accuse or (or insinuate) someone of being deluded leftie because irony entirely shatters and rips the fabric of time after a certain point.

The Batlord 11-26-2016 09:28 PM

Okay, so what is your perfect world? What's the economy and government of your country like?

Chula Vista 11-26-2016 09:41 PM

I'm living a perfect example of corporate greed. 6 billion dollar Megacorp. They tie the VP of purchasing's bonus directly into how much cost savings he can get from vendors even though the company hasn't reduced their sell prices nor have they given their employees wage increases. In fact, they've been laying off long term employees right before they're eligible for their well earned pensions at a record pace.

So they come to us every year and demand a 5% price reduction. Most years we can accommodate them but in 2014 we couldn't. The dude gets pissed and instructs his team to coerce our partner to cut us completely out. 6 billion dollar company gets their 5% discount, our partner is able to increase their profits, and my company loses 90% of our sales overnight.

33 employees lose their long standing jobs, including my wife. I had to let go a guy who I hired 17 years ago and who'd become a close friend. We lose our building, and our reputation (because the mega corp and our partner manufactured a bogus payment dispute to cover their subterfuge).

The worst part? Megacorp was just sold for 8 billion dollars and it was disclosed that they'd achieved record profits for the last 10 quarters.

TLDR: Modern day free market capitalism is being used and abused to epic proportions to benefit the top percentile while doing squat for everyone else - and in our case, it got us kicked into the gutter.

You go Goofle!

Frownland 11-26-2016 09:45 PM

Well, it is and it isn't a free market today. There's the flip side of the coin where regulations surpass what a small business can afford doing, which paves the way for corporatism. We see a lot of that in many industries, like GMO regs making it easy for Monsanto to be a giant of the field. No idea if that fits into your specific case but it's an important point to bring up in this conversation.

There's a happy medium. Nothing is black and white.

Chula Vista 11-26-2016 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1773393)
There's a happy medium. Nothing is black and white.

I sold my grey meter last year so I could make my May mortgage payment.

Mondo Bungle 11-26-2016 10:07 PM

I like the government

The Batlord 11-26-2016 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1773405)
This to a degree

Americans oversimplify when they say he was a terrible dictator that's half the story

Half the story is still brutality and murder.

OccultHawk 11-26-2016 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1773406)
Half the story is still brutality and murder.

Give me a specific example with a respectable source.

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I had to let go a guy who I hired 17 years ago
If you do the hiring and firing why didn't you keep wife secure?

Chula Vista 11-26-2016 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1773407)
Countries ruled by these leaders often look at the US and say at least we aren't ruled by multinational corporations we have a leader that grants us sovereignty

Sovereignty is highly overrated in this day and age. Just like capitalism, sovereignty can, and has been easily co-opted to benefit only those at the top, and in power, at the total expense of the minions. And don't you dare complain about it for fear of a payback worse than hell itself.

Blank. 11-26-2016 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1773407)
Countries ruled by these leaders often look at the US and say at least we aren't ruled by multinational corporations we have a leader that grants us sovereignty

So you think mass starvation and killing fields is better than what we have in the US?

Frownland 11-26-2016 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1773415)
So you think mass starvation and killing fields is better than what we have in the US?

Cut the talk radio, the weak semantic cornering game is showing.

Blank. 11-26-2016 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1773418)
Cut the talk radio, the weak semantic cornering game is showing.

Wow. Your ignorance is showing. Those are legitimate issues.

Frownland 11-26-2016 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1773420)
Wow. Your ignorance is showing. Those are legitimate issues.

And your predisposition to logical fallacies shows the level of thought you've directed at the subject. Gotcha journalism is a weak form of argument and logic.

Blank. 11-26-2016 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1773421)
And your predisposition to logical fallacies shows the level of thought you've directed at the subject.

So you're an idiot. Got it.

Chula Vista 11-26-2016 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1773409)
Give me a specific example with a respectable source.

Are you serious? Take your pick.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...s%20violations

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If you do the hiring and firing why didn't you keep wife secure?
Prior to being destroyed the company had a number of departments. I headed up Engineering and Product Development. Linda worked in Operations and Logistics. We also had Admin, Accounting, R&D, Quality and Control, and IT.

Those 35 employees were reduced to 3. The owner and CEO, his wife, and me.

I'm currently doing my job, my staff's jobs, Linda's job, and helping the CEO with the lawsuits. His wife has taken over admin and accounting.

See, not as easy as your silly question/reply tried to make it out to be. Welcome to the real world.

Frownland 11-26-2016 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1773423)
So you're an idiot. Got it.

It's not even what you were saying, it's the way you tried to disprove elphenor's point without even addressing what they were saying. It's the kind of filth that permeates the media and in turn, conversations. Bring something to the table.

Plus, our post histories put me above you as far as intelligence goes, let's not kid ourselves.

Blank. 11-26-2016 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1773425)
It's not even what you were saying, it's the way you tried to disprove elphenor's point without even addressing what they were saying. It's the kind of filth that permeates the media and in turn, conversations. Bring something to the table.

Elephenor's point was that the people would turn around and say it's better than out country. The problem with that argument is that it's going to be similar to how it is in the US. You have people who would see that as paradise, and people who would see that as a tortured life. His argument was ridiculous to start with.

Frownland 11-26-2016 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind (Post 1773427)
Elephenor's point was that the people would turn around and say it's better than out country. The problem with that argument is that it's going to be similar to how it is in the US. You have people who would see that as paradise, and people who would see that as a tortured life. His argument was ridiculous to start with.

That's not even what they said. All the outrageous parts of the argument were inserted by you, and that's the cheap shot semantic bs I was talking about earlier.

The Batlord 11-26-2016 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1773409)
Give me a specific example with a respectable source.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/11/26/...ord-repression

Counting Castro's Victims - WSJ

Chula Vista 11-26-2016 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1773431)

All you need to do is to point to the million+ Cubans who escaped his iron fist rule who were out in the streets celebrating as soon as his death was announced. Many of whom left family members behind who were incarcerated under his draconian laws.

Castro went the way of most revolutionists. Start with a noble ideal, gain some traction, become powerful and influential (and immensely rich), and then do everything possible to keep the power at the expense of your ideals, your country, and its people. Damn the torpedoes.

OccultHawk 11-26-2016 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1773406)
Half the story is still brutality and murder.

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista (Post 1773424)
Are you serious? Take your pick.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...s%20violations



Prior to being destroyed the company had a number of departments. I headed up Engineering and Product Development. Linda worked in Operations and Logistics. We also had Admin, Accounting, R&D, Quality and Control, and IT.

Those 35 employees were reduced to 3. The owner and CEO, his wife, and me.

I'm currently doing my job, my staff's jobs, Linda's job, and helping the CEO with the lawsuits. His wife has taken over admin and accounting.

See, not as easy as your silly question/reply tried to make it out to be. Welcome to the real world.

A google search isn't a good link and it doesn't sound like you hired or fired anyone you were just the messenger. That's a little trick to make you feel important and empowered when you're neither. Welcome to the real world.

The Batlord 11-26-2016 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1773436)
A google search isn't a good link and it doesn't sound like you hired or fired anyone you were just the messenger. That's a little trick to make you feel important and empowered when you're neither. Welcome to the real world.

Hey, cunt.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1773431)


OccultHawk 11-26-2016 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1773431)

The Human Rights Watch is just a vague biography and the Wall Street Journal needed a log in after the first couple paragraphs.

The level of oppression I'm seeing is a tiny fraction of America's War on Drugs. And that's just one thing.

OccultHawk 11-26-2016 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1773440)
Hey, cunt.

Oh no, mommy's boy called me a ****

Chula Vista 11-26-2016 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 1773436)
A google search isn't a good link and it doesn't sound like you hired or fired anyone you were just the messenger. That's a little trick to make you feel important and empowered when you're neither. Welcome to the real world.

Do you have a tiny dick or something?

Did you read the part where I mentioned that I'm the only employee left? Three top level company VP officers were let go and I still have a job. The CEO and I talk on a daily basis about every issue related to trying to keep the company alive and trying to win the lawsuit. He doesn't make a move until we've conferred and come to a common ground.

Your complete lack of empathy in regard to what I've been trying to relate about my own personal life situation speaks volumes dude.

Zhanteimi 11-27-2016 12:58 AM

Tiny dick? Where?!

grindy 11-27-2016 02:52 AM

Let's all stay civil, okay?

The Batlord 11-27-2016 02:58 AM

Speaking of repressive dictators...

djchameleon 11-27-2016 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1773417)
No that's not what I said

But the US was/is a developed nation where as Cuba is not meaning there are harder decisions to be made

And there are a lot of factors that go into this

Cuba not being a developed nation is the main reason why they should have stayed away from communism. Communism ends up failing because the concept was meant for developed industrial nations.


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