The Rest in Peace Thread (RIP)

Trollheart · 01-13-2023, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen Boo

Dude what? Saying Carole King and Karen Carpenter are not at all remembered by their generation is a hell of a baffling take, maybe not by rock snobs who somehow convinced themselves Ted Nugent and Foghat are the peak of music but Carole King is one of the most celebrated songwriters of her generation dude, and while The Carpenters were once a favorite punching bag of rock critics they remain a beloved act even among younger people, I'm a millennial and I f*cking love the Carpenters, and I know I'm not alone, it just isn't hip to hate 70s soft rock anymore.

If you think Taylor Swift's legacy will be comparable to those two then I'd say she's done really well for herself.

Lord almighty! Read what I said! I said that Karen and Carole are not remembered by THIS generation, not their generation! Of course they were huge back in the 70s and 80s and I love both, but ask any young person today who either were and they're likely to ask if maybe their new mixtape has dropped. I'm pointing out that someone who was huge in their time does not, with the current attention span of music fans of this generation, go on being so. And so when Swift or Sheeran pass on, let's say in forty/fifty years or more, our descendants are more likely to say, who were they than there goes another legend.

Trollheart · 01-13-2023, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Queen Boo

That's a good point that I missed.

It's like when I still see YouTube comments on classic rock videos use Justin Bieber as their go-to example when they complain about modern music, ffs everyone who was born when "Baby" came out is going through puberty now.

Tips for the boomers, if you want to rant about what those good for nothing kids are listening to these days it's time to retire the rants about Justin Bieber and update your material what's actually popular with today's youth, 1000 Geckos or something? I dunno I'm also getting old.

The word was badly chosen. I meant younger people in general, every single one of whom suck.

Teenie brains, teenie attention spans, teenie appreciation of music.
And you're an old man too, Chula. Bah! Why is this hearing aid never turned on? I said WHY IS THIS - oh. Sorry.

**Marie Monday** · 01-13-2023, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Lord almighty! Read what I said! I said that Karen and Carole are not remembered by THIS generation, not their generation! Of course they were huge back in the 70s and 80s and I love both, but ask any young person today who either were and they're likely to ask if maybe their new mixtape has dropped. I'm pointing out that someone who was huge in their time does not, with the current attention span of music fans of this generation, go on being so. And so when Swift or Sheeran pass on, let's say in forty/fifty years or more, our descendants are more likely to say, who were they than there goes another legend.

That's not how musical legendary status works. Being a legend doesn't mean the average kid knows you; there are only a few musicians from the 60s-70s who are widely known among kids and Jeff Beck wasn't one of them either. In that respect, Taylor Swift is comparable to neither Carole King and the Carpenters nor to Ed Sheeran. I don't think Taylor Swift will ever have a legacy interesting enough to rank with the former, but she will certainly have a substantial legacy whether you like her music or not, unlike Ed Sheeran, who has never done anything or interest to music

Chula Vista · 01-13-2023, 07:54 AM

SGR · 01-13-2023, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

That's not how musical legendary status works. Being a legend doesn't mean the average kid knows you; there are only a few musicians from the 60s-70s who are widely known among kids and Jeff Beck wasn't one of them either. In that respect, Taylor Swift is comparable to neither Carole King and the Carpenters nor to Ed Sheeran. I don't think Taylor Swift will ever have a legacy interesting enough to rank with the former, but she will certainly have a substantial legacy whether you like her music or not, unlike Ed Sheeran, who has never done anything or interest to music

I bet if you were to ask your average American high schooler who George Harrison or John Paul Jones are, the vast majority wouldn't be able to tell you.

rubber soul · 01-13-2023, 08:23 AM

John Paul Jones. Isn't he the guy that wouldn't give up the ship?

Queen Boo · 01-13-2023, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Lord almighty! Read what I said! I said that Karen and Carole are not remembered by THIS generation, not their generation! Of course they were huge back in the 70s and 80s and I love both, but ask any young person today who either were and they're likely to ask if maybe their new mixtape has dropped. I'm pointing out that someone who was huge in their time does not, with the current attention span of music fans of this generation, go on being so. And so when Swift or Sheeran pass on, let's say in forty/fifty years or more, our descendants are more likely to say, who were they than there goes another legend.

Apologies for my poor reading comprehension but I don't think you're giving younger generations enough credit, most young casual music listeners probably don't know the greats of the past, but that's been true of every generation before them, casual music goers tend to only know what's easily available to them and they have other interests so they don't dig any deeper than that, that's always been the case and that's fine, but there will always be people who want to explore the history of music, most young people seem to have one nerdy obsession or another and if it's music they're gonna learn about Carole King and the Carpenters sooner than later.

As for Taylor, no one can really say what her future legacy will be.

Chula Vista · 01-13-2023, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SGR

I bet if you were to ask your average American high schooler who George Harrison or John Paul Jones are, the vast majority wouldn't be able to tell you.

Those are band dudes though. Not quite apples to apples.

Chula Vista · 01-13-2023, 08:36 AM

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As for Taylor, no one can really say what her future legacy will be.

For the past 16 years a LOT of people have been buying her albums if that counts for anything.

She's already sold more units than AC/DC, The Rolling Stones, and The Eagles.

SGR · 01-13-2023, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Those are band dudes though. Not quite apples to apples.

Fair enough.

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As for Taylor, no one can really say what her future legacy will be.

I'm hoping for a Taylor Swift house record.

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